Le cas de l'Iran

[jabial]

Je peux pas dire Staline, il a pas tué assez de monde à l'intérieur de son propre pays. Mais je suis prêt à parier que les SudètesChi'ites irakiens seront "libérés" peu après le départ des américains. Qui vivra verra.

Faudrait quand même pas oublier qu'avant Ahmadinejad l'Iran était un pays dont la constitution était respectée depuis la Révolution Islamique. Il y a donc un virage majeur, et je serais curieux de savoir jusqu'à va son pouvoir exactement dans les faits.

[José]

Neda Soltan's family 'forced out of home' by Iranian authorities

Parents of young woman shot dead near protests are banned from mourning and funeral is cancelled, neighbours say

The Iranian authorities have ordered the family of Neda Agha Soltan out of their Tehran home after shocking images of her death were circulated around the world.

Neighbours said that her family no longer lives in the four-floor apartment building on Meshkini Street, in eastern Tehran, having been forced to move since she was killed. The police did not hand the body back to her family, her funeral was cancelled, she was buried without letting her family know and the government banned mourning ceremonies at mosques, the neighbours said.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/2…mily-forced-out

[José]

MPs 'snub' Ahmadinejad poll party

More than 100 MPs appear to have snubbed an invitation to celebrate Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election win, local press reports say.

All 290 MPs were invited to the victory party on Wednesday night but 105 did not turn up, the reports say.

A BBC correspondent says the move is a sign of the deep split at the top of Iran after disputed presidential polls.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8118139.stm

[Johnnieboy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/2…mily-forced-out

Ce régime n'a même plus aucun respect pour sa propre religion.

[Brock]

les regimes n'ont jamais aucun respect pour rien.

[neuneu2k]

les regimes n'ont jamais aucun respect pour rien.

Moi même, je ne respecte jamais mes régimes.

[john_ross]

les regimes n'ont jamais aucun respect pour rien.

On ne critique pas le magismebougisme.

[Apollon]

Moi même, je ne respecte jamais mes régimes.

[Rincevent]

Moi même, je ne respecte jamais mes régimes.

Et voilà, je m'absente vingt-quatre heures, et il me pique déjà mes répliques !

[José]

L'image du jour :

[john_ross]

Et personne pour lui jeter une chaussure à la gueule ?

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

[José]

[Hakill]

Mais je suis prêt à parier que les SudètesChi'ites irakiens seront "libérés" peu après le départ des américains. Qui vivra verra.

J'en doute. Les US restent bien présents dans la région et les pays arabes voisins sont bien trop sur la défensive (sans parler d'Israël!) pour que l'Iran prenne le moindre risque.

Here, Tuesday is only the first hurdle, of course. Next summer, all American combat forces must leave, and by the end of 2011, all United States troops — trainers and all — unless there’s a renegotiation of the status of forces agreement, which seems politically implausible now. Once American troops are gone, it will be time to start dealing with the 800-pound gorilla in the room — Iran, a subject that the Iraqis have studiously evaded discussing publicly, even with the present election turmoil next door.

A Shiite Iraqi member of Parliament who did not want to be identified talking about Iran recently related the following conversation with the Iranian ambassador to Iraq:

“I asked the Iranian ambassador if he thought there would be a power vacuum in Iraq after the Americans leave,” the official said.

The answer was that there certainly would be.

And would Iran fill it? The ambassador said no.

“So I asked him who would fill it, and he said, ‘Al Qaeda and the Baath,’ ” referring to the Sunni-led party of Saddam Hussein.

“ ‘If that happens and I call you to help, will you come?’ ” the Shiite official said he asked. But this time he got no reply. “He couldn’t answer, because he knew that would be like dropping a hundred atomic bombs. All of our Arab neighbors would go to war, even NATO and the United States.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/weekinre…1&ref=world

[Nick de Cusa]

L'iran, les chiites, les sunnites et Israël.

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The remarkable thing about this moment in the Middle East is that Arab leaders speak about Iran more critically than even Netanyahu does. In March, Morocco broke diplomatic relations with Iran over what it claimed were attempts by Iranian Shia to convert Moroccan Sunnis; in Egypt, President Hosni Mubarak’s intelligence services spent the spring breaking up Hezbollah cells (Hezbollah being the Lebanese Shia proxy of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps). “Even if we forget that Iran is trying to obtain a nuclear capability, all gulf and Arab countries are extremely unhappy with the Iranian involvement in our region,” a senior official of the United Arab Emirates recently told me. “We see this today in Iraq, in Lebanon, in Yemen. We just saw the Moroccans breaking diplomatic ties with Iran because of that. We’ve been seeing that in one way or the other in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Sudan.”

In 2006, Mubarak accused Arab Shia of being loyal to Iran. “Definitely Iran has influence on Shiites,” he said. “Shiites are 65 percent of the Iraqis. Most of the Shiites are loyal to Iran, and not to the countries they are living in.” And Yusuf Qaradawi, a leading Sunni scholar, said last year, “Shiites are Muslims, but they are heretics, and their danger comes from their attempts to invade Sunni society. They are able to do that because their billions of dollars trained cadres of Shiites proselytizing in Sunni countries.”

Shimon Peres, the Israeli president, recently told me that he has sensed an oncoming revolution in Sunni thinking. “For the first time, the majority of the Arab world thinks that Iran is the real danger, not Israel. Seventy percent of the Arabs are Sunnis. The Sunnis look upon us, whether they say it or not, not as a problem but as a hope.”

Peres may be overstating, but moderate Arab leaders would obviously like a Sunni-Jewish alliance: Israeli compromise—an agreement, for instance, to freeze settlement growth on the West Bank—would prove to their pro-Palestinian constituents that Arab states, and not Iran, are guarantors of Palestinian interests, and it would allow them to deepen their subterranean military-intelligence connections with Israel on the Iran question. Such an alliance has even more obvious strategic advantages for Israel: Netanyahu has said he will lobby Europe, China, and Russia on the necessity for strong action to stop the Iranian nuclear program. His case would be strengthened immeasurably if he could make these arguments in concert with Arab leaders.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200907/israel-sunni

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Dans les rêves les plus fous du Mossad et des néo-conservateurs, l'Arabie Saoudite serait prête à laisser passer les jets israéliens au-dessus de son territoire pour aller bombarder l'Iran:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl…icle6638568.ece

[jabial]

Tu as une raison de penser que c'est faux?

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Tu as une raison de penser que c'est faux?

Complètement faux, non. En effet, je vois mal la chasse saoudienne se livrer à un combat contre les bombardiers israéliens en route vers l'Iran. Je remarque simplement que seuls les points de vue de cette crapule patentée de Bolton, des Israéliens et, par ouï-dire seulement, d'une des pires dictatures de la planète sont donnés dans l'article. Du coup, je doute que l'approbation saoudienne d'un éventuel raid israélien soit aussi forte que l'article le laisse entendre.

[Nick de Cusa]

Il y a Qom de la contestation du côté de Qoms.

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The pro-reform clerics group said in a statement that the top legislative body, the Guardian Council, no longer had the right "to judge in this case."

In a statement to the press, the Assembly of Qom Seminary Scholars and Researchers said some members of the Guardian Council had "lost their impartial image in the eyes of the public."

"How can one accept the legitimacy of the election just because the Guardian Council says so? Can one say that the government born out of the infringements is a legitimate one," it said.

The Guardian Council is an unelected 12-member council made up of six religious leaders, appointed by the supreme leader, and six jurists.

The statement is further proof of a split at the top of Iran's establishment, correspondents say.

They say that in particular, it was an act of defiance against the country's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

The group said the Guardian Council had not paid "attention" to the complaints lodged by the defeated candidates Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi, and urged other clerics to back them in calling the election and the new government illegitimate.

On Saturday, Mr Rafsanjani - an influential figure in Iranian politics and a prominent backer of Mr Mousavi during the election - met with the families of some of those who have been detained.

It was the first time he had spoken publicly since the election. He told the families that nobody with a "vigilant conscience" could be satisfied with the current situation.

"I hope with good management and wisdom the issues would be settled in the next days and the situation could improve … We should think about protecting the system's long-term interests," Mr Rafsanjani said.

A BBC correspondent said that Mr Rafsanjani appeared to be hinting that a process was going on behind the scenes, which might resolve the current crisis.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8134904.stm

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Selon Biden, les Etats-Unis ne s'opposeraient pas à une frappe israélienne:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097911.html

Le gouvernement Obama-Biden est décidément encore plus carpette que je ne le pensais.

[Nick de Cusa]

Jamais compris pourquoi tu voyais Obama d'un moins mauvais œil que l'autre. L'erreur est humaine.

[john_ross]

Jamais compris pourquoi tu voyais Obama d'un moins mauvais œil que l'autre. L'erreur est humaine.

Parce que j'ai contribué à l'élection du précédent !

La floride c'est bibi.

[Nick de Cusa]

Ah oui, j'avais oublié votre querelle.

[Nick de Cusa]

Iran 'executes Sunni militants'

Iran has executed at least 13 members of a Sunni rebel group blamed for a spate of attacks in the south-east of the country, state media says.

There are conflicting reports as to whether one of the leaders of the Jundollah (God's Soldiers) group has also been hanged.

Tehran blames the group for a series of attacks including the bombing of a mosque in May which killed 25 people.

Amnesty International had appealed for a stay of execution.

It said that the convicts had not received a fair trial.

The semi-official Fars news agency reported on Monday that the 14 would be executed in public in the city of Zahedan, in the south-eastern Sistan-Baluchestan province.

It said those to be hanged included Abdolhamid Rigi - the brother of the group's leader Abdolmalek Rigi - who it described as Jundollah's second-in-command.

Ebrahim Hamidi, who heads the judiciary in the province, told the official IRNA news agency on Tuesday that 13 of the group had been hanged inside a jail.

"After last minute consultations, the executions were carried out in a prison," Mr Hamidi is quoted as saying.

Abdolhamid Rigi was not among those hanged on Tuesday but would be executed later this week, the report said.

However, Iran state radio reported on Tuesday that all 14 of the group had been executed.

It quoted Zahedan's prosecutor, Mohammad Marzieh, as saying that the men had been hanged for killing dozens of civilians, policemen and for bombings in the region.

Most people in Sistan-Baluchestan are Sunni Muslims and ethnic Baluchis.

The provincial capital Zahedan, near the border with Afghanistan and Pakistan, is the centre of a rebellion by Baluchis.

Predominantly Shia Muslim Iran says that Jundollah is part of the Sunni Islamist al-Qaeda network.

Jundollah has claimed repeated attacks in the province, including a bombing in May in a Shia mosque in Zahedan that killed 25 people, Iranian media say.

Human rights groups accuse Iran of making excessive use of the death penalty but Tehran insists it is an effective deterrent that is used only after a lengthy judicial process.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8149014.stm

[Simon Ovronnaz]

les regimes n'ont jamais aucun respect pour rien.

Moi même, je ne respecte jamais mes régimes.

Et voilà, je m'absente vingt-quatre heures, et il me pique déjà mes répliques !

C'est pour ça que je suis anar. J'ai toujours trouvé les régimes inutile.

[h16]

Oui, les régimes, c'est vraiment pour les bananes.

[Rincevent]

Oui, les régimes, c'est vraiment pour les bananes.

D'autant que, quand le régime ment, l'infante rit.

[Invité rogermila]

Pensez vous que Clotilde Reiss a pris des risques inconsidérés sur le territoire iranien ?

Elle, ses proches, le Gouvernement ont clamé son innocence absolue.

Mais, maintenant, elle aurait déclaré avoir envoyé un rapport à l'ambassade sur les manifs à Ispahan et avoir elle-même participé à des manifs

[LeSanton]

C'est l'équivalent d'un procès de Moscou, le but étant d'obtenir des aveux médiatisés mondialement en échange de concessions du gvt français, de lui faire plier le genou. D'autres accusés, faisant partie de l'opposition durant l'élection présidentielle, ont accepté de dire que les élections n'étaient nullement truquées, alors qu'ils affirmaient le contraire avant d'être arrêtés. Kidnapping pur et simple.

[Ventura]

Pensez vous que Clotilde Reiss a pris des risques inconsidérés sur le territoire iranien ?

Je pense que c'est une bobo qui lit Libération et qui a intériorisé qu'il fallait aller en Iran 'pour faire bouger les choses'. Pour une fois, elle est pas tombé sur les bénis-oui-oui de nos régimes sociaux-mous-démocrates, elle pourra tout raconter sur son blog en rentrant, ça lui fera son quart d'heure de célébrité.

Hypothèse haute: en rentrant elle aura la décence de garder le silence sur cette épopée qui lui permettra de prendre conscience que le monde en général n'est pas son monde de bisounours en particulier.