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Il y a 20 heures, Zagor a dit :

 

Avec Manuel Ferrara et Benzaie? :lol:

+Je sens bien le raid du chat twitch par le 18-25.

 

Apparement, il y avait Usul...Donc je n'étais pas loin.

 

Edit: j'ai beaucoup de doute sur l'impact de cette conférence twitch: les médias n'en parle quasiment pas, il y a juste eu comme prévu le 18-25 sur le tchat et même eux ne semblent pas avoir fait des caisses.

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il y a une heure, Tramp a dit :

Ça aurait sûrement fait plaisir à Nissan.

 

Oublions pas que l'un des points d'accrochage lors de la création de l'accord de l'alliance c'était la peur que l'état français prenne trop de place dans l'alliance. Of course c'est ce qui s'est passé avec les droits de vote doublés de l'Etat français. 

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il y a 1 minute, NoName a dit :

 

Oublions pas que l'un des points d'accrochage lors de la création de l'accord de l'alliance c'était la peur que l'état français prenne trop de place dans l'alliance. Of course c'est ce qui s'est passé avec les droits de vote doublés de l'Etat français. 

 

Droits de vote gratés par Macron de façon cavalière. Ça en révélait déjà à l’epoque sur son dirigisme. 

 

 

 

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il y a une heure, Tramp a dit :

 

Droits de vote gratés par Macron de façon cavalière. Ça en révélait déjà à l’epoque sur son dirigisme. 

 

 

 

J'ai entendu plusieurs fois que ça a été la goutte qui a fait déborder le vase et que toute "l'affaire" actuelle est une manière de se venger des Japonais.

Aucune idée si c'est vrai, mais si c'est le cas encore un super coup de l'Etat Français.

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il y a une heure, Azref a dit :

J'ai entendu plusieurs fois que ça a été la goutte qui a fait déborder le vase et que toute "l'affaire" actuelle est une manière de se venger des Japonais.

Aucune idée si c'est vrai, mais si c'est le cas encore un super coup de l'Etat Français.

Probable

 

Récemment j'ai taffé pour un cours sur l'alliance Renault Nissan et tout ce que j'ai lu mentionne dans les points de difficulté la peur des japs de voir l'état français se mêler de leurs affaires, surtout que c'est plus ou moins pareil côté japonais, à savoir que les ministères japs surveillant de très près Nissan, d'autant plus que Nissan a été recapitalisé iirc par d'autres banques qui font parti du même keizentsu, ce qui doit poser des problèmes de risques systémique 

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il y a une heure, Azref a dit :

J'ai entendu plusieurs fois que ça a été la goutte qui a fait déborder le vase et que toute "l'affaire" actuelle est une manière de se venger des Japonais.

Aucune idée si c'est vrai, mais si c'est le cas encore un super coup de l'Etat Français.

 

Ca m’etonnerait que ce soit unifactoriel. Y a pas de fumée sans feu côté Gohsn. 

 

Amha, le seul moyen d’obtenir la fusion Renault-Nissan tant espérée serait de vendre les parts de l’Etat Français à Nissan mais l’Etat Français ne renoncera jamais à une entreprise qu’il a volé des mains à peine froide du fondateur de l’entreprise, mort en prison dans l’attente d’un procès injuste. 

 

L’histoire de la prédation de l’Etat sur Renault depuis plus de 70 ans est d’une grande perversion. 

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il y a 3 minutes, NoName a dit :

Pourquoi vouloir une fusion ? Ça marchait plutôt pas mal pour l'instant 

 

Il y a de l’espace pour rationaliser. Renault n’est pas assez profitable en plus. 

L’alliance c’est le meilleur compromis actuel mais c’est pas un bon compromis. Il y a un manque de synergies, tu ne peux pas avoir pour seule raison d’être ensemble le fait que tu vas mourrir séparément 

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il y a 36 minutes, Tramp a dit :

 

Ca m’etonnerait que ce soit unifactoriel. Y a pas de fumée sans feu côté Gohsn. 

 

Certes, mais l'occasion pouvait être saisie ou non.

Avec l'alliance AF/KLM également mouvementée, ce n'est pas joli joli en ce moment les alliances avec l'Etat Français aux manettes.

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Il y a 11 heures, Tramp a dit :

 

Il y a de l’espace pour rationaliser. Renault n’est pas assez profitable en plus. 

L’alliance c’est le meilleur compromis actuel mais c’est pas un bon compromis. Il y a un manque de synergies, tu ne peux pas avoir pour seule raison d’être ensemble le fait que tu vas mourrir séparément 

ouais mais justement, il faut prendre en compte le facteur politique qui casse les couilles, et le besoin de préserver une identité & une direction séparée de chaque côté (deux autres gros points d'accroche). Pour l'instant le système fonctionnait pas trop mal avec les partages de plateforme et de techno, et les échanges de skills

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Macron continue sa guerre contre la liberté d’expression 

 

Le Monde - La France va intégrer l’antisionisme à sa définition juridique de l’antisémitisme

Emmanuel Macron s’est rendu mercredi soir au traditionnel dîner du Conseil représentatif des institutions juives de France (CRIF), qui attend « des décisions fortes qui vont au-delà des déclarations ».
 

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Il y a 23 heures, Azref a dit :

J'ai entendu plusieurs fois que ça a été la goutte qui a fait déborder le vase et que toute "l'affaire" actuelle est une manière de se venger des Japonais.

Aucune idée si c'est vrai, mais si c'est le cas encore un super coup de l'Etat Français.

 

Yep. Ci-dessous un tres bon article du FT de la semaine derniere qui resume bien. Worth the read:

 

Japanese ‘attack’ exposes French unease over Ghosn Renault sees a Japanese plot, but in Paris resentment against imperious executive persist
 
A lavish party at the Palace of Versailles for the benefit of the boss and his family. Costumes in the style of Marie Antoinette. And the venue paid for by the company. Revelations of this type would be embarrassing for any business. But the news that Renault is investigating what it calls “a personal benefit” worth €50,000 in 2016 at the former French royal seat for its then chairman Carlos Ghosn goes to the heart of the crisis facing both the carmaker and the French government. The arrest last November of Mr Ghosn in Tokyo on charges of financial misconduct at Nissan, Renault’s Japanese partner, has reignited a simmering rivalry between the French and Japanese nationalists in each camp of the international car alliance.  For many on the French side, the sudden detention of Mr Ghosn and the refusal to release him on bail coincided with a plan to topple him and rebalance the Renault-dominated alliance in Nissan’s favour. That theory is shared by Mr Ghosn and his allies, who say he planned to unite Nissan and Renault in a holding company that would probably have meant executive job losses in Japan. All of this has left Paris in a bind: scrambling to preserve an alliance that became a byword for successful industrial co-operation but also shocked at the way Mr Ghosn has been treated. 
 
French president Emmanuel Macron, left, listens to Carlos Ghosn during a visit to the Renault factory in Maubeuge, northeastern France, last November © AFP As one Renault adviser says of Nissan’s aggressive tactics: “The attack is massive and the organisation of it spectacular . . . If you respond to the attack with counter-attacks, then you will explode the alliance, so we’ve decided not to get into a discussion about whether there is a plot or not.”  The Versailles revelations — the first time that Renault has made any public suggestion of possible wrongdoing by Mr Ghosn — add a further complication to the mix. While the Franco-Lebanese-Brazilian tycoon had alienated many on the Japanese side through his large salary and high living, he had also accumulated his share of resentments in France — especially at a time when the government is being assailed by the gilets jaunes protests.
 
“He wanted to be an American CEO,” says one executive who knows him well. “They had the trappings, the pay, and the adulation of being corporate titans. He never got that in France.”  Mr Ghosn, who remains in a Tokyo jail on financial misconduct charges protesting that he is the innocent victim of “plot and treason”, has said he will repay the €50,000 for the use of Versailles. The downfall of Carlos Ghosn While both governments have endorsed the alliance — which, together with the third partner Mitsubishi employs 450,000 people and makes 10m cars a year — the bitterness on each side will make it hard to restore peace and commit themselves to the billions of dollars of joint investments needed to assure the alliance’s future success.  In an acerbic exchange of lawyers’ letters, Renault has questioned Nissan’s commitment to the alliance, while the Japanese company has accused its French partner of resisting the investigation into its former chief executive. Regardless of the different views over the merits of the case against Mr Ghosn, Renault’s advisers, French officials and Mr Ghosn’s friends say some Nissan executives were eager to topple him because of his plans for the alliance. One Renault adviser characterises the stream of leaks from Japanese prosecutors and from Nissan about Mr Ghosn’s alleged crimes as a “blitz” and “shock” tactics in a fight for control of the alliance.
 
Another, speaking figuratively, says: “I think Ghosn had decided to kill [current chief executive Hiroto] Saikawa and Saikawa then decided to kill the king.” Senior officials in the French government agree that Mr Ghosn was facing fierce opposition from within Nissan — though perhaps not from Mr Saikawa himself — because of his proposed reforms, the details of which he guarded jealously even from some members of the Renault board. Mr Saikawa has denied there was a corporate coup to depose Mr Ghosn. Employees work on Nissan Micras and Renault Clios in Flins, France. The arrest last November of Carlos Ghosn has reignited a rivalry between the French and Japanese nationalists in each camp of the car alliance © Bloomberg “Saikawa and many in Nissan are attached to the alliance and its international aspect,” says a senior French official. “But some in Japan are very nationalist, and some are opportunistic.” In the French government and the Renault boardroom, the immediate goal is to ease tensions and stabilise the alliance while the case against Mr Ghosn proceeds. Jean-Dominique Senard, the French chief executive of tyremaker Michelin who was appointed in January to replace the detained Mr Ghosn as Renault chairman and to sit on the board of Nissan, visits Tokyo this week. “From the beginning, we wanted to make the climate calmer, because we were also stunned by the arrest of Carlos Ghosn and the announcement of the charges against him by Nissan and the prosecutor,” says one Renault board member. “We wanted to draw a line between the situation of Carlos Ghosnand the future of the alliance.”
 
The last thing that French President Emmanuel Macron needed in November, just as he faced gilets jaunes demonstrations over the economy, was a challenge to a French industrial champion and one of the country’s largest employers. Since the arrest, Mr Macron has twice spoken to Shinzo Abe, Japan’s prime minister, to tell him of the need to preserve the Renault-Nissan alliance. Mr Ghosn was set to receive more than $80m in deferred compensation after retirement. He is accused in Japan of understating his pay in company documents, abusing his position to transfer personal trading losses to Nissan and receiving €7.8m in improper payments from a Netherlands joint venture with partner Mitsubishi Motors.  In a short statement in court, Mr Ghosn denied that he ever received any undisclosed compensation from Nissan and said his “draft proposals” for post-retirement pay were reviewed by internal and external lawyers, showing that he had no intent to violate the law.
 
Before the arrest, neither Nissan nor the Japanese authorities had said a word about the probe to the board of Renault, which owns 43 per cent of Nissan, or to the French state, which owns 15 per cent of Renault and appoints two of the French company’s 20 board members.  Renault — whose lawyers say they are outraged by the way some Nissan investigators are working in tandem with Japanese prosecutors when Nissan itself has also been indicted — sent an 82-page list of questions to Nissan about the accusations against Mr Ghosn in late December after receiving a summary from Nissan. Renault directors and lawyers say they have yet to receive a reply.  French officials, Mr Ghosn’s associates and present and past board members of Renault paint a picture of a hard-charging Mr Ghosn, who rescued Nissan in 1999 and went on to build the three-company alliance but who finally alienated key Nissan executives with the proposal for a new holding company.  Mr Ghosn, however, was not simply a French appointee sent to do the bidding of Paris in his position as the head of Nissan. He was in fact at least as angry as Nissan’s executives were about the French state’s 2015 decision to temporarily boost its stake in Renault to preserve its double-voting rights as a shareholder.
 
He knew the raid would enrage the Japanese and saw it as a threat to the stability of his international creation. “Ghosn was really really pissed off,” says one person who witnessed his reaction. “I’ve never seen him like that.” He had a bitter falling-out with the architect of that French scheme — Mr Macron, who was then economics minister — although officials and Renault executives say their working relationship was subsequently restored after Mr Macron became president and Mr Ghosn accepted a pay cut at Renault.  At the same time, Mr Ghosn’s imperious ways and tycoon lifestyle had already left him with few friends in either France or Japan, where he had once been feted as Nissan’s saviour. Whereas other French company heads would typically drop everything at a summons from a junior minister, Mr Ghosn twice refused to meet France’s prime minister, citing a busy schedule.  Carlos Ghosn hinted in an interview from jail that he had been thinking of firing Nissan chief Hiroto Saikawa, above, before his arrest because of the carmaker's poor performance © Reuters With his appearances at Davos, roster of private jets and obsession with high pay — he asked his public relations team to print charts showing how his remuneration lagged behind that of bosses at General Motors or Fiat Chrysler — he became a liability for French governments, which regularly whipped up opposition to his remuneration at the annual shareholder gatherings.  In Japan, too, his pay raised eyebrows.
 
In the 2016-17 financial year, for example, Nissan’s investigations show his total compensation including deferred pay was ¥2.88bn, more than seven times the ¥396m of Mr Saikawa. But Mr Ghosn’s compensation was not the only reason for hostility towards him at Nissan. Executives were concerned about the way Renault (and, by extension, France) dominated the alliance even when Nissan provided the bulk of profits. More importantly, according to Mr Ghosn and his associates, the Japanese executives were also worried about losing their jobs. Mr Ghosn himself hinted in an interview from jail that he had been thinking of firing Mr Saikawa before his arrest because of Nissan’s poor performance. “When a company’s performance declines, no CEO is immune to being dismissed,” he said.  Mr Ghosn’s friends and others who know the company in Paris say they think he was targeted by Nissan executives because he planned a further shake-up at the company and envisaged job cuts that would have hit managers as much as factory workers.  Jean-Marc Daniel, an economics professor and a college friend of Mr Ghosnwho last spoke to him in October, says the businessman had taken note of warnings from industry leaders on the need for restructuring to meet the challenges of the future, including the rise of electric cars and autonomous vehicles. “This time the lay-offs are not only going to be for the low-skilled but also for the cadres,” Mr Daniel says. “The Japanese thought that the jobs to be lost would be largely in Japan.
 
Their feeling was that there would be a merger and that would mean the disappearance of the Japanese company. The Japanese wanted to retake control.” He concluded: “Unskilled people act through their trade unions. The higher-ups operate through plotting.”  Nissan declines to comment on what it called speculation, but says no specific proposal was made about a potential merger and that it was “unified in its commitment to preserving and strengthening the alliance”. Among Mr Ghosn’s strengths as head of the alliance were his language skills, his cultural dexterity and his international outlook — he speaks English, French, Arabic, Portuguese and a little Japanese — which allowed him for years to allay the fears of nationalists in both Japan and France. He sought to “denationalise” both Renault and Nissan, changing Nissan’s official language from Japanese to English and overseeing the hiring of senior executives for both groups from third countries such as Britain, Germany and Mexico. 
 
Carlos Ghosn’s proposals for the car group, including one for a holding company, were already prompting grumbles at Nissan by the time the company’s first investigation into him was launched last year © Reuters Yet Mr Ghosn’s proposals, including one for the holding company, were already prompting grumbles at Nissan by the time the company’s first investigation into him was launched last year. “Maybe the idea of the holding company was just the last straw,” says a second Renault board member. “Ghosn kept all of this in his head, he didn’t share with many people . . . I think that over the past few years he wasn’t appreciated at Nissan.”  Even some on the French side think Mr Ghosn had become a liability by the time he was arrested. “There was a mistake because everyone thought that Carlos Ghosn was a guarantor of the alliance,” says a senior French official. “But his style of management had become a problem.”
 
As one French executive with experience in the motor industry says: “It doesn’t look good in the middle of the gilets jaunes crisis.” The question now is whether the French and Japanese sides can resolve their differences. “The automotive business is entering difficult times, at least in the short term,” says one of the Renault directors, pointing to the need to spend billions of dollars on new technology just as major markets in China, the US and Europe were facing headwinds. “The investments are colossal.” Recommended Lex: premium commentary Nissan/Renault: driving a bit crazy  Nissan, although vulnerable because of low profit margins and the indictment in Japan, has not so far ceded to Renault’s wish to have Mr Senard replace Mr Ghosn as Nissan chairman. For its part, the French government insists that Renault will not cut its stake in Nissan nor lose effective control of the Japanese company.  Mr Macron’s advisers want time for the dust to settle once Mr Senard takes over before any further restructuring. However, that will be harder if Mr Ghosn’s case lasts three or more years — as some in Tokyo expect. “There is,” says a senior government official in Paris with a taste for understatement, “a need to rebuild trust.”
 
 

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Il a aussi beaucoup de mal a se rappeler dans quelles conditions et avec quel % il a été élu.

(à sa décharge, il n'est pas du tout le seul.)

 

Il y a ama un hiatus énorme entre le (faible) soutien du prez par la population

et son comportement de monarque qui fait absolument tout et n'importe quoi.

Quand on est élu par 25% d'un groupe humain, on devrait la jouer modeste. Mais ça visiblement, c'est trop dur.

Quand on est élu par 25% d'un groupe humain, et que, dès le lendemain, on se la joue comme si on avait le soutien de 80%, ça cloche.

C'est ce hiatus qui créé le fossé entre le peuple et le gov, et c'est le gov qui est 100% responsable.

 

Les enterrements, les décorations, les marches et autres cérémonies à la con, ça fonctionnait en URSS en 1970.

Là on est en 2019. Comment s'étonner que le peuple ait du mal à boire cette soupe ?

 

ama ça va finir en déchirure.

 

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Macron accuse le syndicalisme français d'irresponsabilité et d'incapacité à trouver des solutions économiques viables.

 

https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/actualite/politique/drôle-de-système-macron-étrille-les-partenaires-sociaux/ar-BBTVEec?li=BBoJIji&ocid=mailsignout

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Le 20/02/2019 à 23:31, Tramp a dit :

Il a été sélectionné et élevé au grain par Hollande lui-même.

 

Hollande était moins dangereux et il semblait connaitre les limites à ne pas franchir pour éviter que tous s'enflamme.

Je n'ai jamais vu de la part d'un président français une telle fixation sur le contrôle de liberté d'expression et d'internet. Il faut aller en Russie pour voir des infos similaires: https://www.la-croix.com/Monde/Europe/En-Russie-projet-loi-renforce-controle-lexpression-Internet-2018-09-19-1200970050

 

 

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2 hours ago, Zagor said:

 

Hollande était moins dangereux et il semblait connaitre les limites à ne pas franchir pour éviter que tous s'enflamme.

Je n'ai jamais vu de la part d'un président français une telle fixation sur le contrôle de liberté d'expression et d'internet. Il faut aller en Russie pour voir des infos similaires: https://www.la-croix.com/Monde/Europe/En-Russie-projet-loi-renforce-controle-lexpression-Internet-2018-09-19-1200970050

 

 

La loi renseignement à du être votée sous Hanllode alors, j'ai du confondre avec Hollande.

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Il y a 17 heures, Tramp a dit :

Après l’affreuse loi alimentation, Macron persiste et signe dans le tout étatisme 

Je ne pense pas qu'il faille un énième exemple pour prouver que nous l'avons définitivement perdu dans les méandres du collectivisme poreux, mais sa manière d'agir est si caricaturale 

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