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@poney Ah oui sur ce qu'il évoque à la fin c'est juste. Le reste, je ne sais pas :

 

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L’Institut Pasteur estimait, dans un article paru dans la revue Science, que 2,9 millions de Français avaient en réalité été infectés au 11 mai, et que le taux de létalité réel dans le pays était de 0,5 %, chiffre rectifié à 0,7 % un mois plus tard.

 

Reste la question de fond. Le Covid-19 est-il effectivement devenu moins mortel ? Pour l’estimer de manière grossière, il faudrait rapporter les 54 personnes décédées le 10 octobre du Covid-19, non pas aux 26 896 cas positifs remontés le même jour comme le fait M. Toussaint, mais plutôt aux malades identifiés deux à trois semaines plus tôt – délai moyen de dégradation mortelle de la maladie.

 

Leur nombre, qui oscillait alors entre 5 000 et 13 000, permettrait d’estimer très approximativement ce taux de létalité entre 0,4 % et 1,1 %. Une fourchette cohérente avec sa mortalité connue, et qui ne permet pas vraiment de parler de baisse de létalité, et sûrement pas dans les proportions évoquées par l’invité de Sud Radio.

 

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La leçon, la seule, c'est qu'on ne sait toujours pas exactement et quo'n ne saura sans doute jamais vraiment, ce qui n'est ni vraiment étonnant ni inquiétant.

Reste le problème des décisions étatiques.

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33 minutes ago, RaHaN said:

Par contre, je me demande ce qu'il va en être des Uber-Eat et consorts.

J'espère pour eux que ce sera considéré comme du travail tardif. En même temps, en l'absence de donneur d'ordre ou de contrat avec des horaires, ce sera peut-être difficile à défendre.

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"Sortie de son animal domestique pour ses besoins naturels (sorties limitées à la proximité du domicile).  "

 

Haha les exceptions, même mon chien a plus de liberté que moi :)

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il y a 57 minutes, Zagor a dit :

https://francais.rt.com/france/79706-on-setait-habitue-etre-societe-individus-libres-phrase-passe-pas

 

Ca devient grave quand c'est RT qui devient le seul grand média (hors CP) a mettre en avant la phrase problématique de Macron et en citant des libéraux.

 

des médecins aussi, en filigranes

https://www.jim.fr/medecin/actualites/pro_societe/e-docs/_une_nation_solidaire_plutot_quune_societe_dindividus_libres_couvre_feu_sanitaire_pour_18_millions_de_francais__184822/document_actu_pro.phtml

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C'EST QUOI CE BORDEL ? Micron a rien sur ça dit hier... 

 

Covid-19 : les mariages et fêtes privées interdits partout en France

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Le nouvel Etat d’urgence sanitaire élargit à toute la France l’interdiction des grandes fêtes dans des salles louées pour l’occasion.

https://www.leparisien.fr/societe/covid-19-les-mariages-et-fetes-privees-interdites-partout-en-france-15-10-2020-8403308.php

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Il y a 1 heure, Zagor a dit :

https://francais.rt.com/france/79706-on-setait-habitue-etre-societe-individus-libres-phrase-passe-pas

 

Ca devient grave quand c'est RT qui devient le seul grand média (hors CP) a mettre en avant la phrase problématique de Macron et en citant des libéraux.

 

D'ailleurs justement il n'est pas trop tard pour que CP mette en avant cette citation. Elle est oufissime. Elle fait mal au c… À mon avis on est en droit de faire un blocage dessus, visible pendant plusieurs jours. @F. mas

 

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à l’instant, Zagor a dit :

C'est problématique quand il s'amuse à créer de nouvelles restrictions.

Aujourd'hui, j'ai acheté un costume pour un mariage prévu la semaine prochaine, parce que je me disais que c'était bon, qu'il n'y allait pas avoir de nouvelles mesures. AUJOURD'HUI.

J'aurais préféré garder l'argent.

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2 minutes ago, L'affreux said:

 

D'ailleurs justement il n'est pas trop tard pour que CP mette en avant cette citation. Elle est oufissime. Elle fait mal au c… À mon avis on est en droit de faire un blocage dessus, visible pendant plusieurs jours. @F. mas

 

 

C'est prévu!

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il y a 11 minutes, Lugaxker a dit :

Qui a écrit cette horreur ? 

Je trouve ça lourd. Et ça en dit plus sur lui que sur les gens qu'il accuse...

C'était tout de même fort probable que la maladie baisse avec l'arrivée des beaux jours puis reparte avec leur départ... Ayant une amie coincée à Iquique au Chili, dont le lockdown était aussi dur qu'ici, on pouvait voir l'évolution selon les saisons.

Cet été, je voyais bien à l'extérieur que les gens voulaient sortir de la situation, profiter, agir comme si c'était fini, ce qui est logique quand on exige de gros sacrifices comme un confinement ; il y a des phénomènes de compensation.
Maintenant, la crise revient, les gens reviennent en mode "ETAT, SAUVE NOUS!!!", et cherchent des coupables parce que c'est plus facile...

On a un débat d'horloges arrêtées, et lorsque l'heure donne raison à l'une, elle en profite pour s'imposer.

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Il y a 11 heures, fm06 a dit :

 

@Nathalie MP, @F. mas je pense que cete déclaration de collectivisation du pays mérite plus d'un article!

 

Collectivisation ou comme certains pourraient appeler l'occupation.  Les animateurs de la station de radio québécoise CHOI Radio-X parle du couvre-feu français. https://radiox.com/choi981/couvre-feu-les-intellectuels-francais-parlent-de-dictature-ca-nous-rappelle-loccupation/2020/10/15/

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26 minutes ago, ph11 said:

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Alors permettez-moi de citer un passage qui m'a marqué dans ma jeunesse (un des premiers bouquins que j'ai lu en anglais pour tout dire).

 

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The True Story of the Golden Apple of Discord
or, "Now Look What You Made Me Do"

What really happened was that everybody was squabbling over the apple and working up a sweat and pushing one another around and pretty soon their vibrations -- Gods have very high vibration, exactly at the speed of light, in fact -- heated up the apple enough to unleash some heavy fumes. In a word, the Olympians all got stoned.

And they saw a Vision, or a series of Visions.

In the first Vision, they saw Yahweh, a neighboring god with a world of his own which overlapped theirs in some places. He was clearing the set to change its valence and start a new show. His method struck them as rather barbarous. He was, in fact, drowning everybody -- except one family that he allowed to escape in an Ark.

"This is Chaos," said Hermes. "That Yahweh is a mean mother', even for a god."

And they looked at the Vision more closely, and because they could see into the future and were all (like every intelligent entity) rabid Laurel and Hardy fans and because they were zonked on the weed, they saw that Yahweh bore the face of Oliver Hardy. All around him, below the mountain on which he lived (his world was flat), the waters rose and rose. They saw drowning men, drowning women, innocent babes sinking beneath the waves. They were ready to vomit. And then Another came and stood beside Yahweh, looking at the panorama of horrors below, and he was Yahweh's Adversary, and, stoned as they were, he looked like Stanley Laurel to them. And then Yahweh spoke, in the eternal words of Oliver Hardy: "Now look what you made me do," he said.

And that was the first Vision.

They looked again, and they saw Lee Harvey Oswald perched in the window of the Texas School Book Depository; and he, again, wore the face of Stanley Laurel. And because this world had been created by a great god named Earl Warren, Oswald fired the only shots that day, and John Fitzgerald Kennedy was, as the Salvation Army charmingly expresses it, "promoted to glory."

"This is Confusion," said Athena with her owl-eyes flashing, for she was more familiar with the world created by the god Mark Lane.

Then they saw a hallway, and Oswald-Laurel was led out between two policemen. Suddenly Jack Ruby, with the face of Oliver Hardy, stepped forward and fired a pistol right into that frail little body. And then Ruby spoke the eternal words, to the corpse at his feet: "Now look what you made me do," he said.

And that was the second Vision.

Next, they saw a city of 550,000 men, women and children, and in an instant the city vanished; shadows remained where the men were gone, a firestorm raged, burning pimps and infants and an old statue of a happy Buddha and mice and dogs and old men and lovers; and a mushroom cloud arose above it all. This was a world created by the cruelest of all gods, Realpolitik.

"This is Discord," said Apollo, disturbed, laying down his lute.

Harry Truman, a servant of Realpolitik, wearing the face of Oliver Hardy, looked upon his work and saw that it was good. But beside him, Albert Einstein, a servant of that most elusive and gnomic of gods, Truth, burst into tears, the familiar tears of Stanley Laurel facing the consequences of his own karma. For a brief instant, Truman was troubled, but then he remembered the eternal words: "Now look what you made me do," he said.

And that was the third Vision.

Now they saw trains, many trains, all of them running on time, and the trains criss-crossed Europe and ran 24 hours a day, and they all came to a few destinations that were alike. There, the human cargo was stamped, catalogued, processed, executed with gas, tabulated, recorded, stamped again, cremated and disposed.

"This is Bureaucracy," said Dionysius, and he smashed his wine jug in anger; beside him, his lynx glared balefully.

And then they saw the man who had ordered this, Adolf Hitler, wearing still the mask of Oliver Hardy, and he turned to a certain rich man, Baron Rothschild, wearing the mask of Stanley Laurel, and they knew this was the world created by the god Hegel and the angel Thesis was meeting the demon Antithesis. Then Hitler spoke the eternal words: "Now look what you made me do," he said.

And that was the fourth Vision.

They did then look further and, lo, high as they were they saw the founding of a great republic and proclamations hailing new gods named Due Process and Equal Rights for All. And they saw many in high places in the republic form a separate cult and worship Mammon and Power. And the Republic became an Empire, and soon Due Process and Equal Rights for All were not worshipped, and even Mammon and Power were given only lip-service, for the true god of all was now the impotent What Can I Do and his dull brother What We Did Yesterday and his ugly and vicious sister Get Them Before They Get Us.

"This is Aftermath," said Hera, and her bosom shook with tears for the fate of the children of that nation.

And they saw many bombings, many riots, many rooftop snipers, many Molotov cocktails. And they saw the capital city in ruins, and the leader, wearing the face of Stanley Laurel, taken prisoner amid the rubble of his palace. And they saw the chief of the revolutionaries look about at the rubble and the streets full of corpses, and they heard him sigh, and then he spoke the eternal words: "Now look what you made me do," he said.

And that was the fifth Vision.

And now the Olympians were coming down and they looked at each other in uncertainty and dismay. Zeus himself spoke first.

"Man," he said, "that was Heavy Grass."

"Far fuckin out," Hermes agreed solemnly.

"Tree fuckin mendous," added Dionysius, petting his lynx.

"We were really fuckin into it," Hera summed up for all.

 

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