[Sérieux] Guerre en Ukraine

[Freezbee]

il y a 37 minutes, Bisounours a dit :

L'article du Gorafi du jour

 

J'ai mieux : Ukraine authorities say seized Russian tanks don’t need to be declared on tax form

 

Citation

It’s not often that tax can lift people’s spirits but Ukrainian authorities may have done just that, assuring citizens that any Russian military equipment they seize won’t need to be declared for tax purposes.

 

“Have you captured a Russian tank or armoured personnel carrier and are worried about how to declare it? Keep calm and continue to defend the motherland!” Ukraine’s National Agency for the Protection against Corruption (NAPC) said, according to the Ukraine arm of the Interfax news service.

 

The agency went on to explain there was “no need to declare the captured Russian tanks and other equipment, because the cost of this ... does not exceed 100 living wages (UAH248,100) ($8,298).”

 

The rare wry moment comes as fighting intensifies across Ukraine and the conflict enters its eighth day. Cities across Ukraine came under heavy bombardment including the capital Kyiv and the second largest city, Kharkiv, sparking an exodus of more than a million people, according to the head of the United Nations refugee agency.

 

Ukraine continued to push back against the advance of Russian forces, and Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Wednesday praised the “heroic” resistance to Moscow’s invasion. Citizens in Ukraine have been seen preparing molotov cocktails and learning how to use arms as civilians join forces to defend their country.

 

In its statement, the NACP said “combat trophies” would not be required to be declared for income tax purposes in part because they were acquired “in connection with the full-scale aggression of the Russian Federation” against the “independent and sovereign Ukrainian state”.

 

“Thanks to the courage and victory of the defenders of the Ukrainian state, enemy military equipment usually comes to you already destroyed and disabled, which makes it impossible to evaluate it in accordance with the law,” it said.

 

“At the same time, the NACP continues to ensure the technical possibility of providing notifications of significant changes in the property status for the acquisition of objects seized from the Russian army, if there is a desire to declare same,” the statement concluded.

[ph11]

Il y a 16 heures, Bisounours a dit :

Haut niveau de conneries dans les "punitions" infligées aux Russes, quels qu'ils soient.

Bientôt la chasse aux Russes du monde entier ?

Il va falloir un fil du genre "les engagements pro ukrainiens les plus débiles" dignes du gorafi

 

Les chats russes interdits de participation aux compétitions félines

 

http://www1.fifeweb.org/wp/news/?fbclid=IwAR2Cnpe93xK5RUuzCX6LYTTc6ua2NpS1mhNSdlyZXVFzkixTBSNnZnO6Knc#412

 

The Board of FIFe feels it cannot just witness these atrocities and do nothing, so it decided that as of 01.03.2022:
● No cat bred in Russia may be imported and registered in any FIFe pedigree book outside Russia, regardless of, which organization issued its pedigree.
● No cat belonging to exhibitors living in Russia may be entered at any FIFe show outside Russia, regardless of, which organization these exhibitors hold their membership in.
These restrictions are valid until 31.05.2022 and will be reviewed as and when necessary.

 

Il suffit de les renommer en "freedom cats"

[Freezbee]

Frappes russes sur Chernihiv :

 

 

Via https://t.me/live_intel/853

[Alchimi]

La marine ukr a sabordé son navire amiral. Pour éviter qu'il ne tombe aux mains des russes.

[Mathieu_D]

Sinon quels subreddit vous suivez ?

La j'ai https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share et https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share mais je n'ai pas explore tout l'espace des subs du sujet ni juste regarde lesquels sont les plus populaires.

 

J'aimerais en voir des pro-russes aussi.

[Lameador]

17 minutes ago, Mathieu_D said:

Sinon quels subreddit vous suivez ?

La j'ai https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share et https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share mais je n'ai pas explore tout l'espace des subs du sujet ni juste regarde lesquels sont les plus populaires.

 

J'aimerais en voir des pro-russes aussi.

 

zerohedge.com

moonofalabama.org

thesaker.is

 

[Solomos]

 

21 minutes ago, Mathieu_D said:

Sinon quels subreddit vous suivez ?

La j'ai https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share et https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share mais je n'ai pas explore tout l'espace des subs du sujet ni juste regarde lesquels sont les plus populaires.

 

J'aimerais en voir des pro-russes aussi.

 

Merci pour ses sub,

je relance en demandant s'il y qqun a un Telegram anglophone qui semble assez honnête ?

[Freezbee]

il y a 40 minutes, Solomos a dit :

Merci pour ses sub,

je relance en demandant s'il y qqun a un Telegram anglophone qui semble assez honnête ?

 

Casus Belli est sur Telegram : https://t.me/Casusbellii

 

Pour le reste, je n'ai que des comptes complotistes ou au minimum biaisés.

 

Celui-ci est pro-russe mais très actif : https://t.me/intelslava

[Solomos]

Just now, Freezbee said:

Pour le reste, je n'ai que des comptes complotistes ou au minimum biaisés.

 

Celui-ci est pro-russe mais très actif : https://t.me/intelslava

 

J'ai déjà StratPol de Xavier Moreau grâce à toi, ça me suffit

[Freezbee]

il y a 15 minutes, Solomos a dit :

J'ai déjà StratPol de Xavier Moreau grâce à toi, ça me suffit

 

Ah, celui-là c'est une véritable boussole qui indique le sud ?

Dans un sens, il est fiable...

D'une manière générale, j'ai l'impression qu'on retrouve sur Telegram les comptes qui sont triquards ailleurs.

[Freezbee]

@Solomos https://t.me/CIG_telegram

[Rübezahl]

r/ukraine est pas mal

[Marlenus]

"le président russe Vladimir Poutine a déclaré que le dialogue en faveur de la paix avec l'Ukraine n'était possible que si "toutes les exigences russes" étaient acceptées."

 

https://www.bfmtv.com/international/europe/selon-poutine-le-dialogue-n-est-possible-que-si-toutes-les-exigences-russes-sont-acceptees_AD-202203040448.html#xtor=AL-68

 

[Bézoukhov]

C'est quoi les exigences de la Russie au fait ?

[Jesrad]

3 minutes ago, Bézoukhov said:

C'est quoi les exigences de la Russie au fait ?

Just the tip honey.

 

Ou encore: seulement quelques cm de bras en plus dans la machine, promis ça va tout décoincer pour de bon.

[Bézoukhov]

Nan, mais formellement ? Annexion du Donbass ? Plus ? En gros, il se passe quoi si les ukrainiens disent top là. Par ce que j'ai l'impression que les russes se trouveraient alors plus ou moins en slip.

[Solomos]

3 minutes ago, Bézoukhov said:

Nan, mais formellement ? Annexion du Donbass ? Plus ? En gros, il se passe quoi si les ukrainiens disent top là. Par ce que j'ai l'impression que les russes se trouveraient alors plus ou moins en slip.

Formellent : Demilitarisation de l'Ukraine, changement de gouvernement.

 

État fantoche infeodé, annexion partielle (les ports, une partie de l'Est) ou totale possible.

[Mathieu_D]

J'ai cru comprendre que les buts de guerre sont :

indépendance des séparatistes dans les limites administratives (plus loin que la ligne de front),

reconnaissance de l'annexion de la Crimée,

Gouvernement ukrainien "denazifié", sous contrôle donc,

Pas d'intégration de l'Ukraine dans l'Otan.

 

[Rincevent]

Il y a 3 heures, Freezbee a dit :

D'une manière générale, j'ai l'impression qu'on retrouve sur Telegram les comptes qui sont triquards ailleurs.

Attend donc que Telegram, Discord et les autres purgent les comptes qui diffusent des féqueniouzes (qu'importe ce que ça peut vouloir dire). Tu n'as pas vu passer la mise à jour récente des conditions d'utilisation ?

 

Il y a 1 heure, Jesrad a dit :

Just the tip honey.

Ah non, moi on m'a dit que c'était très vulgaire de dire des trucs comme ça.

[Freezbee]

À propos de la convention de Genève, des photos circulent sur les réseaux sociaux d'un pilote de Su-25 russe abattu... d'une balle dans la nuque (du moins il me semble).

[Mathieu_D]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1499716627100753927.html

 

A noter :

Normes de progression en terrain urbain : US à Falloujah (nov 2004) : 1 km/jour = rapide. Les Russes sont pour l’instant en dessous de cette norme. Largeur de Kharkiv = 10 km, de Kiev = 30 km.

 

 

 

[Marlenus]

4 hours ago, Freezbee said:

 

Ah, celui-là c'est une véritable boussole qui indique le sud ?

Dans un sens, il est fiable...

D'une manière générale, j'ai l'impression qu'on retrouve sur Telegram les comptes qui sont triquards ailleurs.

C'est pas une boussole, c'est juste un mec qui vit grâce à ce que lui verse Poutine et qui donc écrit ce qu'on lui dicte.

Il y a qu'à voir son CV.

 

Sans rire, je viens de regarder quelques vidéos (je ne connaissais pas), et franchement jamais vu une telle propagande pro-Poutine.

Et pourtant j'ai bien regardé RT. Mais RT c'était plus subtil.

 

 

 

[Wayto]

Citation

 

Kremlin officials say they didn't know Russian President Vladimir Putin would invade Ukraine, and were shocked by the severity of Western sanctions imposed upon it the independent Russian investigative outlet Agency reported. One unnamed senior official said people in the Kremlin "did not know" that it would be an all-out invasion and that many were shocked when news of the military assault broke, the outlet said.  In the run-up to the invasion, Putin's cabinet had only prepared to deal with Western sanctions introduced over Russia's decision to recognize the independence of the Ukrainian regions of Luhansk and Donetsk on February 21, not for an invasion, a source close to Putin's administration told Agency.

 

After Russia invaded, countries including the US and UK, as well as the EU, sanctioned Russian entities and individuals, seizing assets belonging to those closest to Putin and ejecting Russian banks from the SWIFT global financial system. The Kremlin is particularly concerned by its ousting from SWIFT, the freezing of Russian foreign reserves, including by the US, and the exit of a string of Western companies from Russia, Agency reported. "Everything is fucked," a source close to Putin's administration told the outlet. Before the invasion, one of the officials told Agency, Kremlin officials held several meetings about sanctions and that stress tests were conducted on large companies in case Russia was disconnected from SWIFT. An official went on to tell Agency that Kremlin officials cannot resign from their posts because it would be seen as a betrayal. "You can only quit to prison," they said.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/kremlin-staff-didnt-expect-ukraine-invasion-sanctions-shock-report-2022-3

 

Cela renforce l'idée de la désorganisation et de l'amateurisme de l'armée russe. Si c'est autant le bordel tout en haut de l'Etat, c'est de pire en pire plus tu descends.

[Mathieu_D]

Je suis assez déçu de moi même dans tout ça je dois dire. Je voyais la Russie comme une démocratie imparfaite et après deux ans de covid et des politiques associées je commençais à croire qu'effectivement l'ouest n'était pas si différent que la Russie en terme d'autoritarisme.

 

Et bien punaise non. La Russie d'aujourd'hui est encore quasiment une union soviétique. Il y a plusieurs ordres de grandeurs de différences entre les conneries autoritaires d'ici et celles de la bas.

[Bézoukhov]

il y a une heure, Mathieu_D a dit :

démocratie imparfaite

 

Mmmh. Une démocratie sans alternance n'est pas une démocratie. C'est un très bon marqueur (pour la Russie, pour Hong Kong, et même pour la pente dangereuse que suit l'Occident actuellement).

 

il y a une heure, Mathieu_D a dit :

La Russie d'aujourd'hui est encore quasiment une union soviétique.

 

C'est assez récent je trouve, ce retour à l'URSS. Mais oui, le comportement du gouvernement russe me rappelle de plus en plus les soviets des romans soviétiques et post soviétiques.

 

 

[Bézoukhov]

Il y a 20 heures, Extremo a dit :

En partie quand je vois pas mal de libertariens américains "anti-guerre" essayer de trouver des excuses ou circonstances atténuantes à Poutine qu'ils ne trouveraient pas si c'était les US (ou même Israël) à la place.

 

Je suis assez loin de ces milieux, et ils m'intéressent peu.

Par contre, je vois assez souvent en France une réduction d'un certain nombre d'arguments sensés contre l'OTAN à des excuses. Alors qu'on se met seulement dans la position d'un occidental, non russe, qui se demande ce qui aurait pu être modifié pour éviter cette situation de blocage diplomatique.

 

Et la place et le comportement de l'OTAN sont forcément au centre de ces réflexions.

 

C'est toujours la distinction coupable / responsable.

[Freezbee]

Un Mi-24 ou Mi-35 abattu au nord de Kiev :

 

 

[Kyouki]

Bison Futé voit rouge, le convois de la Liberté russe bouchonne à la porte de Kiev :

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1499894935209795594.html

[Freezbee]

Un autre thread sur l'encerclement de Kyiv :

 

Citation

Major General (just retired!) Mick Ryan

Nine days since the Russian conquest of Ukraine began. The potential encirclement of Kyiv is the focus of my 9th daily thread. 1/25 (Image via @Osinttechnical)

 

 

2/25 As always, a shout out to those reporting on the Russian invasion. This includes @KofmanMichael @maxseddon @IAPonomarenko @RALee85 @shashj @DanLamothe @ikhurshudyan @IanPannell @DefenceHQ @TheStudyofWar @OrlaGuerin @siobahn_ogrady @holmescnn among others. Please follow them.

 

3/25 But first, why does Kyiv matter?

 

 

4/25 Kyiv is an industrial, cultural and political centre for Ukraine. It is a transportation hub and a city of historic value.

 

5/25 At the same time, both the Russians and Ukrainians have assigned significant political value to Kyiv. As @SpencerGuard & @JaysonGeroux have written “while a city may have no initial military value, it becomes so when political value is assigned to it"

 

 

Urban Warfare Project Case Study #2: Battle of Mosul - Modern War Institute John Spencer and Jayson Geroux | 09.15.21 The Battle of Mosul began on October 16, 2016, ending when a final pocket of defending forces was cleared on July 20, 2017. The city is located in northern Ir… https://mwi.usma.edu/urban-warfare-project-case-study-2-battle-of-mosul/

 

6/25 The ongoing defence of Kyiv is a major psychological boost for Ukraine’s soldiers and civilians. It also acts to catalyse international support for Ukraine. (Image - @IAPonomarenko).

 

 

7/25 Denying Kyiv to the Russians frustrates them in achieving their key military and political objective in war. Holding it also buys the Ukrainians time for provision of international support to continue building up.

 

8/25 How does an encirclement, and possibly the capture, of Kyiv play out?

(Image - Google Earth)

 

 

9/25 First, the Russians need to physically cut the city off on the ground. This will be an enormous undertaking. The city measures about 25km east to west and 35km north to south. Roughly, the Russians will need to create (at least) a 90km long cordon around the city.

 

10/25 In defensive operations, a battalion sized organization (what the Russians call a BTG) occupies a ‘frontage’ of about 1000 metres. This means that an effective encirclement of the city would take up the vast majority of Russian forces in Ukraine. This probably isn’t viable.

 

 

11/25 The Russians might opt for a looser cordon around the city. But this would allow the Ukrainians to resupply the defenders, prolonging any siege by providing reinforcements to defend the city in the event of a Russian assault.

 

12/25 The Russians will seek to cut the city in half by destroying the Dnieper River bridges. This makes coordination and internal reinforcement difficult for the defenders. The Russians might also conduct riverine operations to prevent defenders from crossing the river.

 

 

13/25 The Russians will need to cut the city off to prevent defenders and others from leaving. This will be the mission of the ‘inner cordon’ of any Russian encirclement.

 

14/25 The Russians will also need an ‘outer cordon’ to prevent supplies and reinforcements getting into the city. This is what the US Army calls a ‘perimeter defence’. It requires an integrated force of infantry, armour, engineers, artillery, air defence, EW, and logistics.

 

15/25 The Russians will also want to prevent journalists entering the city to report on the Russian tactics needed to secure the city. They will want to deny the world pictures of the starving citizens that a Russian siege would produce. (Image - @CNN)

 

 

16/25 And they will not want international aid organisations getting into the city either.

(Image - @ICRC)

 

 

17/25 The Russians will also attempt to cut off power to the city. This has a major impact on civilian morale. It prevents long term storage of food. It also restricts the kinds of communications systems that might be used.

 

18/25 The Russians will be desperate to destroy communications networks. This is to break down the command and control of defenders in the city. It also prevents the defenders communicating with outside military forces to coordinate resupply and reinforcements.

 

19/25 Importantly, if the Russians destroy the terrestrial & cellular networks in Kyiv, they may stop the Ukrainian President talking to & rallying in his people. This would have a major strategic impact for the people of Ukraine, & for the coordination of international support.

 

 

20/25 Concurrently, the Russians will be using artillery, rockets and air dropped dumb bombs to kill defenders and break down C2. They will also hope to harass the city’s inhabitants into leaving the city so there are fewer potential defenders in the city. Image- @IAPonomarenko

 

 

21/25 Finally they will want to deny Ukrainian air power over the city, including stopping aerial resupply. But the Russians have failed to far to dominate the skies. A Pentagon brief today notes briefed that “Ukraine has a significant majority of its aircraft still available”

 

 

22/25 Indeed, some are speculating about whether the Russian air force is capable of what is required of it in Ukraine:

 

 

Is the Russian Air Force Actually Incapable of Complex Air Operations? More than a week into the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian Air Force has yet to commence large-scale operations. Inactivity in the first few days could be ascribed to various factors, but the … https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/russian-air-force-actually-incapable-complex-air-operations

 

23/25 All of this is what we could call ‘shaping operations’ by the Russians. These are the activities that are required to provide a foundation for their subsequent assault on the city. There are several different ways the Russians might do this.

 

24/25 How this assault might play out will be the subject of my thread tomorrow. A warning – it will be very grim. We already know that the Russian way of war has embraced the destruction of cities in Chechnya & Syria. They are using this playbook in Mariupol & other cities.

 

 

25/25 My observations, part 9, ends. Thank you to the many followers, old and new, who have been reading and sharing these posts. I hope they have provided useful insights.

(Image - @IAPonomarenko)

 

 

[Freezbee]

 

« Sergueï Jirnov, ex-espion KGB fait des révélations sur Poutine et analyse la guerre en Ukraine. »

Je n'ai pas tout écouté, mais le début est intéressant (il parle de ses rencontres avec Poutine)