José Posté 18 mai 2005 Signaler Posté 18 mai 2005 Publiée en 1969 par ISIL, la lettre originale peut être lue ici. Roy Childs (1949–1992) était un auteur et un activiste libertarien. Dix-neuf de ses essais sont réunis dans Liberty Against Power. Citation It is my contention that limited government is a floating abstraction which has never been concretized by anyone; that a limited government must either initiate force or cease being a government; that the very concept of limited government is an unsuccessful attempt to integrate two mutually contradictory elements: statism and voluntarism. Hence, if this can be shown, epistemological clarity and moral consistency demands the rejection of the institution of government totally, resulting in free market anarchism, or a purely voluntary society. Citation Note also that the question of how free market anarchism would work is secondary to establishing the evil of government. If a limited government, i.e., a non-statist government, is a contradiction in terms, then it cannot be advocated – period. But since there is no conflict between the moral and the practical, I am obliged to briefly sketch how your objections to free market anarchism are in error. Citation To make consideration of your errors easier, I shall number them and present the outline of possible replies to your major, and hence essential, points, as presented in your essay, "The Nature of Government." 1. "If a society provided no organized protection against force, it would compel every citizen to go about armed, to turn his home into a fortress, to shoot any strangers approaching his door," etc. This is a bad argument. One could just as easily assert that if "society" (subsuming whom?) provided no organized way of raising food, it would compel every citizen to go out and raise vegetables in his own backyard, or to starve. This is illogical. The alternative is most emphatically not either we have a single, monopolistic governmental food-growing program or we have each man growing his own food, or starving. There is such a thing as the division of labor, the free market – and that can provide all the food man needs. So too with protection against aggression. 2. "The use of physical force – even its retaliatory use – cannot be left at the discretion of individual citizens." This contradicts your epistemological and ethical position. Man's mind – which means: the mind of the individual human being – is capable of knowing reality, and man is capable of coming to conclusions on the basis of his rational judgment and acting on the basis of his rational self-interest. You imply, without stating it, that if an individual decides to use retaliation, that that decision is somehow subjective and arbitrary. Rather, supposedly the individual should leave such a decision up to government which is – what? Collective and therefore objective? This is illogical. If man is not capable of making these decisions, then he isn't capable of making them, and no government made up of men is capable of making them, either. By what epistemological criterion is an individual's action classified as "arbitrary," while that of a group of individuals is somehow "objective"? […] 3. "The retaliatory use of force requires objective rules of evidence to establish that a crime has been committed and to prove who committed it, as well as objective rules to define punishments and enforcement procedures." There is indeed a need for such objective rules. But look at the problem this way: there is also a need for objective rules in order to produce a ton of steel, an automobile, an acre of wheat. Must these activities, too, therefore be made into a coercive monopoly? I think not. By what twist of logic are you suggesting that a free market would not be able to provide such objective rules, while a coercive government would? It seems obvious that man needs objective rules in every activity of his life, not merely in relation to the use of retaliation. But, strange as it may seem, the free market is capable of providing such rules. You are, it seems to me, blithely assuming that free market agencies would not have objective rules, etc., and this without proof. If you believe this to be the case, yet have no rational grounds for believing such, what epistemological practice have you smuggled into your consciousness? 4. "All laws must be objective (and objectively justifiable): Men must know clearly, and in advance of taking an action, what the law forbids them to do (and why), what constitutes a crime and what penalty they will incur if they commit it." This is not, properly speaking, an objection to anarchism. The answer to this problem of "objective laws" is quite easy: all that would be forbidden in any voluntary society would be the initiation of physical force, or the gaining of a value by any substitute thereof, such as fraud. If a person chooses to initiate force in order to gain a value, then by his act of aggression, he creates a debt which he must repay to the victim, plus damages. There is nothing particularly difficult about this, and no reason why the free market could not evolve institutions around this concept of justice. Citation Another interesting argument against your position is this: there is now anarchy between citizens of different countries, i.e., between, say, a Canadian citizen on one side of the Canadian-American border and an American citizen on the other. There is, to be more precise, no single government which presides over both of them. If there is a need for government to settle disputes among individuals, as you state, then you should look at the logical implications of your argument: is there not then a need for a super-government to resolve disputes among governments? Of course the implications of this are obvious: theoretically, the ultimate end of this process of piling government on top of government is a government for the entire universe. And the practical end, for the moment, is at the very least world government. Citation And there is the major issue of the destructiveness of the state itself. No one can evade the fact that, historically, the state is a blood-thirsty monster, which has been responsible for more violence, bloodshed and hatred than any other institution known to man. Your approach to the matter is not yet radical, not yet fundamental: it is the existence of the state itself which must be challenged by the new radicals. It must be understood that the state is an unnecessary evil, that it regularly initiates force, and in fact attempts to gain what must rationally be called a monopoly of crime in a given territory. Hence, government is little more, and has never been more, than a gang of professional criminals. If, then, government has been the most tangible cause of most of man's inhumanity to man, let us, as Morris Tannehill has said, "identify it for what it is instead of attempting to clean it up, thus helping the statists to keep it by preventing the idea that government is inherently evil from becoming known…. The 'sacred cow' regard for government (which most people have) must be broken! That instrument of sophisticated savagery has no redeeming qualities. The free market does; let's redeem it by identifying its greatest enemy – the idea of government (and its ramifications)." Bref, un texte supercalifragilisticexpialidociousement intéressant !
Ronnie Hayek Posté 18 mai 2005 Signaler Posté 18 mai 2005 Dans un registre plus polémique, Anthony Gregory vient de publier cet article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory74.html "Anthony Gregory" a dit : The Ideal Randian Stateby Anthony Gregory Murray Rothbard argued in his classic work "Robert Nozick and the Immaculate Conception of the State" against Nozickian minarchism, on the basis that no State has ever or ever would develop in the perfect, pristine and uncorrupted circumstances in which the Nozickian night-watchman State must be born in order to exist. The Randians, however, know that a perfect State cannot come about through "immaculate conception." This is just religious hogwash. The Randian State must be planned, crafted, and drawn up in blueprints; manufactured and implemented by individualists working unanimously to usher in an Ideal Capitalist Utopian society; and observed and respected as infallible by all people who live within its jurisdiction. We can wonder how the central planning of a Randian State would begin, commence and conclude. Objectivists disagree with each other on many matters. Politically, they share no uniform foreign policy. An intelligent minority of visible students of Rand seem to favor peace and nonintervention, basing their dissenting view on Randian principles. In the more inclusive Randian circles, even some disagreement on minarchism vs. anarchism is allowed. Some fans of Rand’s work have trouble reconciling her true brilliance and importance with some of her quirky views and her even quirkier, less rational modern followers. Despite these disagreements and discrepancies, I have, from surfing the net lately, come to form in my mind a composite model of the ideal Randian State. Now, certainly, many Objectivists, and probably Rand herself, would dispute the accuracy of my design. I mean them no offense. But based on what a good number of Randians online seem to believe, I do contend the average vocal Randian advocates a set of policies which, if put into practice, would imply a State quite similar in character to what is described below. First off, as we know, the Randian State would not "initiate force," since that would violate the central tenet of Rand’s political philosophy. It would therefore not regulate industry or even collect taxes. At the same time, the Randian State would maintain a monopoly on the use of violence, so as to prevent another State from emerging in the same geographical location. We know that most Randians would expect at least this much from their State, for this coercive monopoly is the bare minimum criterion necessary for a State to be considered a "State." Without a monopoly on violence, so believe the Objectivists, society would collapse into a Somalia-style anarchy. Without a State, we would have warlordism. Rand herself warned, in The Virtue of Selfishness, that "If society provided no organized protection against force, it would compel every citizen to go about armed, to turn his home into a fortress, to shoot any strangers approaching his door"; and that "the use of physical force – even its retaliatory use – cannot be left at the discretion of individual citizens." Even though, at times, some Objectivists have challenged this Randian principle; that it is a Randian principle – that a monopoly in violence, including retaliatory violence, is a necessary characteristic of a Randian State, as conceived by Rand and most of her followers – of this much we can be fairly certain. This minimal coercive monopoly that is the Randian State would enforce "intellectual property rights," protect people’s reputations against "slanderers" and "libelers," restore the now-defunct "property rights" of Western companies over Middle Eastern oil appropriated through colonial mercantilism more than ninety years ago, and carry out some other limited functions. The Randian State would also have a very aggressive foreign policy, unhesitant to target civilians, to the degree that, in the months following 9/11, it may well have nuked the Middle East and killed hundreds of thousands, or even hundreds of millions, of people – both to avenge the deaths of 9/11 and also to reassert American dominance and get "our" oil back from the Arabs and Muslims who stole it. In responding to 9/11 in a Randian style, the U.S. government would have approached the action with the "standard value," as one Objectivist put it, that the "rights of one American, whether a soldier or a civilian, are worth more than the lives of all men, women and children in all these [Middle East] nations combined." If, during this hypothetical vengeance killing, you had spoken out against the nuclear annihilation of millions of people, you might have been tried for treason, for, under a Randian State during wartime, no individual can be allowed to spread doubts over certain Fundamental Truths – namely, that the Randian State protects individual rights and Western Civilization, and represents everything that is Objectively Good about humanity. But the Randian State would not initiate force or collect taxes. The State would be completely separated from religion, and any other ideological organization or predisposition other than Objectivism Itself (which, of course, is The Truth, and should be enforced by the government). The military would abandon any remaining attachment it might have to the Christian, and therefore irrational witchdoctor-like, "Just War Theory." The courthouses would be guided by Objectivist ethics, enforcing intellectual property rights and the corporate charters created by the State. But the Randian State would not aggress against people, nor would it tax them or regulate industry. The Ideal Randian State would uphold the values of Western Civilization, which are best understood by reading Ayn Rand. As the U.S. government is now, it is far from the Objectivist ideal, since it is too hesitant to attack civilians and yet it also initiates force too much through the mechanisms of taxation and antitrust law. However, the U.S. government, being an integral, necessary part of America – and certainly far better than any possible alternative in the real world! – does, to a large degree, represent and embody the best of Western Civilization even in its current, imperfect, overly bureaucratic form. Accordingly, either the Ideal Randian State or the current U.S. government has the right – nay, the duty – to destroy uncivilized States, not worry too much about the savages who die or what the survivors among them might think, and thus ensure that America, which is Objectively so much more in tune with Western values, scientific knowledge and The Truth than its small dictatorship enemies, survives forever as a symbol for the entire world to follow. But, being modest and limited in its functions as it is, the Randian State would never initiate force. A Randian State would go around the world toppling non-Randian States, so long as it does so in a non-altruistic fashion. Destroying evil States is a positive good, and a Randian State, being the positive good that it is, could never be blamed if anything went wrong during its escapades of invasion and foreign intervention. Anything bad that happened – any innocents that died during the Randian rampage to cleanse the earth of savagery and anti-mind, anti-reason, anti-reality values – would of course be the fault of the Randian State’s enemies; as we all know, the Randian State, categorically and unconditionally, cannot be culpable for any damage caused by its clashes with less civilized States: the Randian State does not initiate force by definition: anyone hurt during a conflict involving the Randian State either had it coming, or must file his complaints with another, less perfect State. And, Truth be told, any ethical person who lived in a non-Randian State would not only "acknowledge the moral right of a free nation to bomb" him, but would Objectively want to be bombed by the more Randian State, regardless of his chances of dying in the process, for such bombing presents his only plausible chances of salvation, freedom, and deliverance to the realm of rationality and individualism. If two Randian States existed at the same time on Earth, they would, of course, never have any conflict with each other, since they would both be right about everything. But if, perhaps by some disruption in the space-time fabric, they did come into conflict with each other, the Randian State with the more Randians in it would presumably be in the right. Or, perhaps they would both be right as they tore each other to shreds. But neither Randian State would ever initiate force or regulate the economy. Living in the Ideal Randian State would be superbly swell, unless you happened to disagree fundamentally with Objectivism. Since Objectivism is The Truth, and since any decent State should reflect It, certainly there is little room in a free, Objectivist society for non-Objectivist barbarians. Smoking would be legal in all public places – perhaps even mandatory. (Okay, this is a cheap shot. But we do know that anti-smoking ads would be one of the first government programs abolished.) Indeed, the Randian State would be absolutely perfect, limited just enough never to violate anyone’s individual rights, but empowered just enough to make the world safe for and conducive to Randian democracy. It would keep its massive nuclear arsenal just in case it had a reason to wipe one billion people off the face of the earth to make more room for the individualists in the Randian State. Libertarians might even find the situation quite tolerable. They had better, anyway, for the alternative would either be prosecution, punishment, or – worst of all – excommunication from Randian society. Yes, oh yes, the Randian State would be wonderful, and never collect taxes or initiate force. But if it did happen to collect taxes, it would have to be for the military, and therefore the tax rate could conceivably climb as high as 80%. But this wouldn’t be so bad, by Randian standards, so long as the money is being used for individualistic, rational, and egoistic purposes – such as bombs, warplanes, and uniforms – rather than anything collectivist, mystic, and altruistic. For, as nearly any Objectivist can tell you, being taxed 5% of your wealth for welfare is a far greater burden and offense than being taxed 80% of your wealth for the military. So maybe the Randian State would tax, and regulate industry to the extent necessary for national defense and the military. But none of this taxing or regulating – and, certainly, none of the tax-financed invading and bombing – would be an initiation of force, since, as we know, a Randian State could never initiate force. Perhaps some of you might wonder about this Randian State, and believe you have discovered within its framework a number of irreconcilable contradictions. If so, you are obviously wrong. Check your premises, and rest assured that the Ideal Randian State is not only obtainable and desirable; it is the only possible political organization in any way compatible with reality, human reasoning, and, most important, today's popular Objectivist theory.
Ronnie Hayek Posté 18 mai 2005 Signaler Posté 18 mai 2005 Et j'ai déplacé le sujet dans le forum aproprié.
Fredo Posté 21 mai 2005 Signaler Posté 21 mai 2005 Très bien ces articles ! J'avais subodoré quelques contradictions internes dans l'approche objectiviste sur certains sujets. une philosophie idéaliste ne me gêne pas tant qu'on sait qu'on tend vers l'idéal. Mais penser l'atteindre ou le réaliser c'est parfois courir le risque de développer un syndrome d'utopie. Et c'est comme ça que commencent des idéologies totalitaires, les sectes, comme l'explique Paul Watzlawick. On finit par ne plus toucher au "dogme", ne plus remettre en cause l'utopie. On se fait manipuler par la culpabilité : si tu n'as pas encore atteint l'idéal c'est que tu n'as pas assez prié, pas assez fait les exercices spirituels, pas assez donné, pas encore prêt, etc. On se remet alors en cause soi-même, on doute, on accepte l'échec, la difficulté, au lieu de questionner les présupposés de l'idéologie. Pourtant la lecture d'Atlas Shrugged m'a permis justement de ne plus culpabiliser sur certains points. C'est une oeuvre décapante. Qui donne la force de s'affirmer, qui déconditionne des idéologies socialistes, collectivistes, etc. Il y a de très bonnes idées-forces. Mince, on a pas à s'excuser quand on réussit quelque chose…
Invité jabial Posté 23 mai 2005 Signaler Posté 23 mai 2005 Ayn Rand a découvert l'objectivisme, mais elle est loin d'avoir clôturé le sujet. Elle s'est trompé sur tout un tas de choses, a fait des erreurs de raisonnement et de logique, et ceci est très bien soulevé par les deux auteurs prétentés ici, même s'il y a, ton polémique oblige, quelques petits abus argumentaires chez le second - en particulier, le fait de mettre tous les objectivistes dans le même sac. A côté de la secte ARI qui a choisi l'approche mystique et se base sur la parole d'Ayn Rand gravée dans le marbre, d'autres objectivistes, parfois appelés "néo-objectivistes", ont choisi d'améliorer leur connaissance de la loi objective en utilisant leur propre rationnalité et leur propre esprit. L'ISIL et l'Objectivist Centeur sont parmi ceux-là. Je conseille à tout objectiviste rationnel de fuir l'ARI comme la peste et de conseiller à ses amis d'en faire autant - même Nozick n'a pas été aussi loin dans l'irrationnalité, car les héritiers des droits de Rand ont réussi, comme beaucoup de disciples, à amplifier lourdement les erreurs de leur maîtresse sans en retenir les principes essentiels. C'est un peu le même mécanisme par lequel l'enseignement de paix des évangiles a pu être instrumentalisé pour fonder des horreurs comme l'inquisition. L'ARI doit être dénoncé comme non objectiviste. Ce sont eux qui excommunient le plus fort, car ce sont eux les vrais déviants - et la force, fut-elle celle de la voix, ne remplace pas la raison.
Fredo Posté 23 mai 2005 Signaler Posté 23 mai 2005 Tout à fait jabial. D'ailleurs il y a cette phrase attribuée au Bouddha qui m'a beaucoup inspiré il y a quelques années et servi de référentiel : "Ne crois rien sur la simple autorité des maîtres ou des prêtres. Ne crois rien parce que tu auras lu le témoignage écrit de quelque sage ancien. Mais ce qui, après une étude approfondie, satisfera ta raison et tendra vers ton bien, cela tu pourras l'accepter comme vrai et y conformer ta vie".
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