Sondages pour les élections américaines

[Johnnieboy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081021/…yjtODy0mxXK.nQA

McCain lui-même évite de parler de cette affaire à présent puisqu'il y a aussi une enquête à son encontre (avec arrestations,etc) pour les mêmes raisons !

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Cette affaire ACORN ressemble à une dernière manoeuvre désespérée de Républicains fanatiques, dont PajamasMedia est un repaire.

[José]

Cette affaire ACORN ressemble à une dernière manoeuvre désespérée de Républicains fanatiques, dont PajamasMedia est un repaire.

J'imagine que le FBI est un repaire du même genre.

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

J'imagine que le FBI est un repaire du même genre.

Probablement mais pour l'instant le FBI ne s'est pas officiellement exprimé sur cette affaire. On n'a que des déclarations anonymes et des affirmations péremptoires de gugusses liés au GOP. Ca s'appelle du FUD.

[José]

http://www.dccomics.com/mad/?action=downloads

[Taranne]

McCain lui-même évite de parler de cette affaire à présent puisqu'il y a aussi une enquête à son encontre (avec arrestations,etc) pour les mêmes raisons !

Euh… Mon lien n'a rien à voir avec cette affaire!

[Adrian]

http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=features_box_main

Sans surprise Obama est devant.

[José]

En gros, la seule chose qui pourrait faire perdre Obama, c'est le non-dit raciste.

Amusant : des suprématistes blancs qui soutiennent Obama :

Why White Supremacists Support Barack Obama

How do racists, anti-Semites and all-purpose hate-mongers view the possibility of America’s first black president? Not necessarily the way you think they would.

By David Peisner

If recent polls are to be believed, white voters favor John McCain over Barack Obama by nearly ten percentage points, but the McCain and Obama camps probably haven’t factored in the following fact: In an informal Esquire survey, three out of four white supremacists prefer Obama, while McCain is the clear favorite among black nationalists. (Sure, our methodology suffered from an extraordinarily low sample size--limited to four white supremacists and one black nationalist--but just because it wouldn’t fly with Gallup doesn’t mean there ain't a kernel of truth in there.) This is just one of many surprising views that emerged after we talked to extremists about this historic electoral showdown between a 46-year-old black man and a 71-year-old white man.

Tom Metzger

Who: Director, White Aryan Resistance

Likes: White people, karaoke, environmentalists

Dislikes: Race-mixing, Jews, the federal government, capitalism

Career Highlights: Was Grand Dragon of Ku Klux Klan in the 70s; won the Democratic primary during his bid for Congress in 1980; appeared on the episode of Geraldo Rivera’s show in 1988 when Rivera’s nose was broken in a brawl.

"The corporations are running things now, so it’s not going to make much difference who's in there, but McCain would be much worse. He’s a warmonger. He’s a scary, scary person--more dangerous than Bush. Obama, according to his book, Dreams Of My Father, is a racist and I have no problem with black racists. I’ve got the quote right here: 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s white race.' The problem with Obama is he’s being dishonest about his racial views. I’d respect him if he’d just come out and say, 'Yeah, I’m a black racist.' I don’t hate black people. I just think it’s in the best interest of the races to be separated as much as possible. See, I’m a leftist. I’m not a rightist. I hate the transnational corporations far more than any black person."

Ron Edwards

Who: Imperial Wizard, Imperial Klans of America

Likes: Guns, bed sheets, burning crosses

Dislikes: Black people, homosexuals, immigrants

Career Highlights: Sued in 2007 by the Southern Poverty Law Center for inciting the brutal beating of a Latino teenager; building the IKA into one of the nation’s largest Klan groups by allowing non-Christians to join.

"Obama, I think he’s a piece of shit. I don’t care that his mother was white. I don’t think he has enough brains to do anything good. All he’s living off of is the color of his skin to get elected. I don’t think America wants a black president. Most of them are too afraid to say that they believe the way I believe. They sit around their dinner table and talk the way I do, but when they get out in public, they have two faces and show the other face. When people are voting in the booth privately, they’ll vote Republican even if they’re a Democrat. If he wins, I’ll laugh. I don’t like McCain, but he’s the only one I can vote for. He’s against a lot of the things that I’m for. I’m afraid that he’s going to mess with gun laws. But I’m going Republican and I talked to my guys and most of them are voting for McCain too."

Erich Gliebe

Who: Chairman, National Alliance

Likes: Third Reich, the movie Rocky

Dislikes: Integration, Jewish-controlled media

Career Highlights: Turning white-power record label, Resistance Records, into a million-dollar-a-year business juggernaut; an 8-0 record as a professional boxer under the nickname, "The Aryan Barbarian."

"Obama might be a better candidate for our cause because he’s racially conscious. One of our big things in the National Alliance is to raise the racial consciousness of our people. Young whites in universities, they’ve been stripped of any kind of racial identity. Obama may be a racist in a positive sense for his people--that will awaken a lot of the whites, knock some sense into them. They’ll see that non-white Americans are allowed to be proud of who they are, to be racially conscious, to talk about their people or their community without being attacked as being racist. Let’s face it, white people aren’t going to fight for their causes, for their kind with a white president. I don’t think McCain even acknowledges that a white race exists. He’s all about granting amnesty to illegal aliens. The fact he wants to keep us in wars in the Middle East for 100 years, that’s not a good thing. I give Obama credit, he seems to have stuck to his guns as far as pulling the troops out of Iraq. He’s a very intelligent man, an excellent speaker and has charisma. John McCain offers none of that. Perhaps the best thing for the white race is to have a black president. My only problem with Obama is perhaps he’s not black enough."

Rocky Suhayda

Who: Chairman, American Nazi Party

Likes: Hitler, white people

Dislikes: Jews, immigrants, multinational corporations

Career highlights: Being widely quoted bemoaning in the fact that so few Aryan-Americans had the cojones of the 9/11 hijackers: "If we were one-tenth as serious, we might start getting somewhere."

"White people are faced with either a negro or a total nutter who happens to have a pale face. Personally I’d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals--basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women--when usually negroes who have 'made it' immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize--that’s the kind of negro that I can respect. Any time that a prominent person embraces their racial heritage in a positive manner, it’s good for all racially minded folks. Besides, America cares nothing for the interests of the white American worker, while having a love affair with just about every non-white on planet Earth. It’d be poetic justice to have a non-white as titular chief over this decaying modern Sodom and Gomorrah."

Yahanna

Who: General, Israelite School Of Universal Practical Knowledge

Likes: Segregation

Dislikes: White oppressors, black women, American culture, Muslims, Christians, Martin Luther King Jr.

Career Highlights: Featured in 1999 BBC program about black supremacists; his street corner rants in Washington D.C. spurred changes in the local noise ordinance.

"Finding out Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for president was one of the saddest days in black history. Another legacy of black death is about to begin, just like it began back in the '60s with probably the greatest traitor to black people in modern-day history, Martin Luther King. Every black leader that has some form of power has given black people false hope, when in fact, the closer they get to the white establishment, the more they become an actual enemy to black people. Black people need to move away from the establishment and towards a moral change. As for Obama, first of all, he’s not even a black man in the terms of what real black people consider a black man. He’s of African and white descent. How easily he dismissed his affiliation with Reverend Wright, was a clear indication that this is a politician, not a man of any real conviction. The same way he threw away that Reverend, once he becomes president, he must throw away black people. He’s going to have to harm black people to make white people satisfied that he’s not Reverend Wright’s boy. The disappointment we’re going to suffer from him is going to set us back another fifty years. McCain is definitely the better shot for black people."

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature/ra…rt-obama-061308

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Amusant : des suprématistes blancs qui soutiennent Obama :

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature/ra…rt-obama-061308

Une analyse plus fine de ce panel démontre que ce sont surtout les antisémites qui soutiennent Obama. Les seuls non-antisémites déclarés, Ron Edwards et Yahanna, sont en faveur de McCain.

[Taranne]

Une chose est sûre: si Obama se plante mardi prochain, nous entendrons longtemps parler du racisme américain, quand bien même aucun autre pays développé n'a autre chose à offrir aux "minorités visibles" que des strapontins…

[LeSanton]

[h16]

C'est une évidence. D'ailleurs, même si les médias en Europe sont majoritairement préparés à la victoire d'Obama, ils ont déjà commencé à préparer le terrain sur le thème "les racistes votent McCain ou contre Obama" depuis quelques semaines. Il ne se passe guère une journée sans qu'on lise ou qu'on entende un "reportage" sur telle famille blanche pourtant démocrate qui répugne à voter pour un noir, ou qui doute qu'Obama face un président crédible en raison de sa couleur. Et, comme de juste, la famille en question sera choisie dans les états du centre américain, où comme chacun le sait, se trouvent le plus de racistes gnagnagna blablabla.

Bref, si McCain est élu, c'est que les ricains, en plus d'être des conservateurs va-t-en-guerre méchants et capitalistes, sont racistes. 'Videmment.

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

C'est une évidence. D'ailleurs, même si les médias en Europe sont majoritairement préparés à la victoire d'Obama, ils ont déjà commencé à préparer le terrain sur le thème "les racistes votent McCain ou contre Obama" depuis quelques semaines. Il ne se passe guère une journée sans qu'on lise ou qu'on entende un "reportage" sur telle famille blanche pourtant démocrate qui répugne à voter pour un noir, ou qui doute qu'Obama face un président crédible en raison de sa couleur. Et, comme de juste, la famille en question sera choisie dans les états du centre américain, où comme chacun le sait, se trouvent le plus de racistes gnagnagna blablabla.

Bref, si McCain est élu, c'est que les ricains, en plus d'être des conservateurs va-t-en-guerre méchants et capitalistes, sont racistes. 'Videmment.

Le racisme et l'ultra-libéralisme des Américains, c'est un peu le hedge fund des journalistes.

[Bastiat]

si je m'en tient aux sondages privilégiés par le monde j'ai

149+(111/2)=204.5 grands électeurs pour Mac Cain.

278+(111/2)=333,5 grands électeurs pour Obama.

61,98% en faveur de Obama

à titre personnel je dirais donc qu'un 54-55% me parait raisonnable pour Obama soit un score de +7-8% pour les journalistes français.

EDIT: bon finalement pour les états c'était assez précis.