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The Brody File Reacts to Barack Obama's Faith Speech

The headlines from Barack Obama’s faith speech this weekend centered on how he ripped leaders of the religious right. We’ll get to that in a moment. But this speech was a lot more than just that.

Let’s first start with this. Besides Obama, how many times have you seen a presidential candidate get up in front of a large crowd and talk in depth about his salvation? I’ll give you the answer: Zero. For Obama to stand up and talk about how Jesus changed his life, my friends that takes guts. You may disagree with everything he’s about, you may disagree with his policy goals but as Christians, shouldn’t we like it when someone talks about Christ being the missing ingredient in his life? The excerpt below won’t make it into the AP article. Check it out from his speech:

It wasn’t until after college, when I went to Chicago to work as a community organizer for a group of Christian churches, that I confronted my own spiritual dilemma. In a sense, what brought me to Chicago in the first place was a hunger for some sort of meaning in my life. I wanted to be part of something larger. I’d been inspired by the civil rights movement – by all the clear-eyed, straight-backed, courageous young people who’d boarded buses and traveled down South to march and sit at lunch counters, and lay down their lives in some cases for freedom. I was too young to be involved in that movement, but I felt I could play a small part in the continuing battle for justice by helping rebuild some of Chicago’s poorest neighborhoods.

So it’s 1985, and I’m in Chicago, and I’m working with these churches, and with lots of laypeople who are much older than I am. And I found that I recognized in these folks a part of myself. I learned that everyone’s got a sacred story when you take the time to listen. And I think they recognized a part of themselves in me too. They saw that I knew the Scriptures and that many of the values I held and that propelled me in my work were values they shared. But I think they also sensed that a part of me remained removed and detached – that I was an observer in their midst.

And slowly, I came to realize that something was missing as well – that without an anchor for my beliefs, without a commitment to a particular community of faith, at some level I would always remain apart, and alone.

And it’s around this time that some pastors I was working with came up to me and asked if I was a member of a church. “If you’re organizing churches,” they said, “it might be helpful if you went to church once in a while.” And I thought, “Well, I guess that makes sense.”

So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called “The Audacity of Hope.” And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ. I learned that my sins could be redeemed. I learned that those things I was too weak to accomplish myself, He would accomplish with me if I placed my trust in Him. And in time, I came to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world and in my own life.

It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn’t fall out in church, as folks sometimes do. The questions I had didn’t magically disappear. The skeptical bent of my mind didn’t suddenly vanish. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.

That, ladies and gentlemen is called a conversion experience. No other candidate is relaying that type of story. Now, as for the religious right comments, first, let’s reset and read exactly what he said below:

Somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and started being used to drive us apart. It got hijacked. Part of it’s because of the so-called leaders of the Christian Right, who’ve been all too eager to exploit what divides us. At every opportunity, they’ve told evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their Church, while suggesting to the rest of the country that religious Americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage; school prayer and intelligent design. There was even a time when the Christian Coalition determined that its number one legislative priority was tax cuts for the rich. I don’t know what Bible they’re reading, but it doesn’t jibe with my version.

Barack Obama wants to bring the country together as best he can on this issue of faith and politics. His heart is in the right place. To “call out” leaders of the Christian Right like that seemed a little too broad for my taste. (watch those comments here )He blanketed a lot of people with one broad brush. If you really look closely at those leaders of the Christian Right, it doesn’t seem fair to pigeonhole all of them in the same category and to say all they care about are abortion, gay marriage, school prayer and intelligent design. These leaders have spoken out and taken action on issues like the genocide in Darfur, poverty in America, torture techniques, helping people after devastating natural disasters, etc. Do they focus on abortion and gay marriage more than progressives? Yes but is that such a crime to believe that God would be against it?

To me though, the criticism of the religious right was a small part of the speech. I saw it more as an uplifting speech that can bring people of faith together. For example, Obama talked about how God SHOULD NOT be removed from the public square: He said:

So doing the Lord’s work is a thread that’s run through our politics since the very beginning. And it puts the lie to the notion that the separation of church and state in America means faith should have no role in public life. Imagine Lincoln’s Second Inaugural without its reference to “the judgments of the Lord.” Or King’s “I Have a Dream” speech without its reference to “all of God’s children.” Or President Kennedy’s Inaugural without the words, “here on Earth, God’s work must truly be our own.” At each of these junctures, by summoning a higher truth and embracing a universal faith, our leaders inspired ordinary people to achieve extraordinary things.

Here’s what it comes down to. Obama’s view of his faith calls for social justice. Moral issues like immigration, minimum wage, healthcare, etc are all part of that equation. (watch more on that here) Social conservatives see the pressing moral issues as abortion, gay marriage, etc. So how can you bring both sides together? Maybe you can’t. But if religious conservatives are willing to engage in some of these other “moral issues” that Obama talks about, then Obama and the progressives might also need to be willing to engage on the abortion and gay marriage issue. For example, nobody expects Obama to all of a sudden become pro-life, but will he be able to move towards the middle on issues like parental notification or a congressional bill that warns would be mothers that their fetus will feel pain if aborted after 20 weeks?

At the end of the day, Obama’s most important line didn’t have to do with any issue. It had to do with Jesus. Read below:

There’s a hunger that’s deeper than that – a hunger that goes beyond any single cause or issue. It seems to me that each day, thousands of Americans are going about their lives – dropping the kids off at school, driving to work, shopping at the mall, trying to stay on their diets, trying to kick a cigarette habit – and they’re coming to the realization that something is missing. They’re deciding that their work, their possessions, their diversions, their sheer busyness, is not enough.

They want a sense of purpose, a narrative arc to their lives. They’re looking to relieve a chronic loneliness. And so they need an assurance that somebody out there cares about them, is listening to them – that they are not just destined to travel down that long road toward nothingness.

In his life, Obama says that somebody is Jesus. And as Christians, that’s something we can all agree on.

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[refrain connu]Au cœur du gauchisme, il y a la croyance en un état divin, omnipotent, omniscient, parfait, juste, bon et généreux. De gré ou de force.[/refrain connu]

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On peut critiquer certains points de son discours, mais il y a quand même de très bonnes réflexions, surtout à la fin avec ses réflexions existentialistes. Son discours montre que c'est un homme mature qui a une longue expérience de vie, je partage en grande partie son opinion sur le sens de la vie. Il a bien souligné cette impression qu'on a à toujours tourner autour du pot, à passer à côté de l'essentiel en focalisant notre attention sur des détails.

Personnellement, je crois que le moteur de la vie est la relation, presque tout tourne autour de la relation. L'autre but de la vie est peut-être tout simplement la création de souvenirs, c'est peut-être pour cette raison que j'ai eu à un moment un peu de sympathie pour Sarko lorsqu'il disait dans son discours que le plus important ce ne sont pas les réussites ni les échecs, mais le fait d'avoir rempli sa vie comme on a pu, et être capable en fin de vie de se retourner pour dire: "voilà ce que j'ai fait".

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Malgré sa deuxième place dans les sondages et une certaine avance d'Hilary, il arrive quand même à bien lever les fonds le garçon.

Obama lève une somme record de fonds pour sa campagne --par Jim Kuhnhenn--

[02/07/2007 00:01]

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Barack Obama a récolté plus de 32 millions de dollars (24,1 millions d'euros) de fonds pour sa campagne présidentielle au cours du trimestre écoulé, une somme record pour un candidat à l'investiture démocrate pour la Maison Blanche, a annoncé dimanche son équipe de campagne.

Ce montant, qui couvre la période avril-mai-juin, est supérieur de cinq millions de dollars à celui que sa principale rivale, Hillary Rodham Clinton, comptait lever pour le même trimestre, soit 27 millions de dollars (20 millions d'euros).

Sur les 32,5 millions de dollars au moins récoltés par M. Obama au deuxième trimestre 2007, la quasi-totalité -31 millions de dollars- doit être affectée -à la demande des donateurs- aux dépenses liées aux primaires, scrutins au cours duquel sera désigné le candidat démocrate, selon son équipe de campagne.

Sur le terrain des fonds destinés aux primaires, le sénateur Obama a donc également des chances de distancer Mme Clinton, dont une grande partie des fonds levés, au contraire, est affectée à l'organisation de l'élection présidentielle elle-même.

Le sénateur noir de l'Illinois a reçu des dons en provenance de plus de 154.000 particuliers au cours du trimestre écoulé, et de plus de 258.000 donateurs depuis le début de l'année, un chiffre exceptionnel à ce stade de la campagne. Au cours du premier trimestre 2007, M. Obama avait levé 25,7 millions de dollars (19 millions d'euros) de fonds.

Pour M. Obama, devancer Mme Clinton sur le terrain de la récolte des fonds est un objectif important car, malgré un intérêt certain de l'opinion pour sa candidature, le sénateur de l'Illinois reste derrière la sénatrice de New York et ex-Première Dame des Etats-Unis dans les sondages nationaux. AP

http://actualite.free.fr/monde/3_2007-07-0…01_FAP1409.html

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Je vais garder mon commentaire obj pour moi sinon je sens que je vais encore me fâcher avec quelqu'un :icon_up:

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Qu'entends-tu par là ?

Pardon de ne pas avoir répondu plus tôt Gadrel! Quand je disais que le moteur de la vie était la relation, je voulais dire que la plupart nos actes sont plus ou moins liés au relationnel. Quand j'offre un cadeau à un ami, c'est pour lui faire plaisir et pour entretenir une amitié, c'est un cas flagrant. D'autres cas moins flagrants, ne pas décevoir ses parents ou chercher à être reconnu en visant le prestige scolaire, faire du sport pour affirmer sa virilité et séduire les filles, bien s'habiller pour avoir l'image qu'on veut montrer de soi, ou tout simplement créer un blog et laisser des commentaires sur dailymotion. Je n'aurais peut-être pas dû parler "du" moteur de la vie, mais "d'un" moteur, en tout cas c'est quelque chose d'important. Il y a aussi d'autres raisons évidemment, le besoin de confort et la recherche du pouvoir par exemple.

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Le parcours de Barack Obama est exemplaire, il est brillant et, à première vue, c’est une personnalité charismatique et attachante. Quels éléments justifient le titre limite du fil qui le traite de « raclure ». Je ne suis pas un observateur averti de la politique intérieure américaine : Obama est-il réellement un extrémiste ? Sur son site de campagne barackobama.com les propositions semblent effectivement assez gratinées, mais en quoi est-il pire que les autres démocrates ?

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Le parcours de Barack Obama est exemplaire, il est brillant et, à première vue, c’est une personnalité charismatique et attachante. Quels éléments justifient le titre limite du fil qui le traite de « raclure ».

Allez bon ok. Disons "Crétin".

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Le parcours de Barack Obama est exemplaire, il est brillant et, à première vue, c’est une personnalité charismatique et attachante.

On s'en fout.

Ce qui compte est le programme.

Or, une simple vue de ce dernier montre que s'il l'appliquait, on assisterait à un cauchemar aux Etats-Unis…

Quels éléments justifient le titre limite du fil qui le traite de « raclure ».

Limite?

Je t'invite à lire l'article que je viens de poster et après que tu l'aies fait, on en rediscutera…

Je ne suis pas un observateur averti de la politique intérieure américaine : Obama est-il réellement un extrémiste ?

Où ai-je écrit que c'était un extrémiste?

J'ai dit que c'était une raclure.

Après, je suis d'accord pour dire que chez les Démocrates, c'est un des plus potables (ce qui montre la crise que traverse ce parti, par ailleurs…).

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