Les programmes d'avortement nazis dans les ghettos

[Roniberal]

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07090708.html

Israeli Doctor Exposes Nazi Abortion Program

An Israeli doctor has recently published an account of the Nazi use of abortion, euthanasia, and sterilization to eliminate groups they deemed "inferior stock", especially Jewish and Slavic people.

Dr. Tessa Chelouche writes that "Abortion was used as a weapon of mass destruction in Eastern Europe," where "it has been estimated that tens of thousands of Polish and Russian women were compelled to abort not because of health reasons, but because of Nazi dogma." She goes on to quote Hitler's 1942 policy statement on the application of abortion to Slavic people, which is chillingly similar to modern Planned Parenthood propaganda:

"In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to install in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman's health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics."

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, expressed a similar objective about eliminating US colored people in a letter she wrote only months after Hitler's invasion of Poland: "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Today, Planned Parenthood and other international promoters of abortion, sterilization, and contraception, often claim that the availability of such services is a "health issue" and is necessary to fight poverty, echoing Hitler's slogans.

The article, "Doctors, Pregnancy, Childbirth and Abortion during the Third Reich," which appeared in the March issue of the Israel Medical Association Journal, shows that Hitler facilitated and promoted abortion and sterilization for "inferior genetic stock" while simultaneously practicing "positive eugenics" by prohibiting most abortions and sterilizations of "Aryan" German women. This practice reflected the same reasoning behind Margaret Sanger's famous slogan "more from the fit, less from the unfit".

In 1942 and 1943, the Nazis implemented mandatory abortion programs in some ghettos. "The punishment for giving birth and for delivering the infant was death for the whole family and for the Jewish doctor or midwife," writes Chelouche. In the concentration camps, however, "pregnant women were usually sent to their immediate deaths upon arrival just because they were pregnant."

Chelouche's also notes that the German sterilization program led easily to a program of mass murder of unwanted groups. "During the five and a half years preceding the outbreak of the Second World War, about 320,000 German persons with 'lives unworthy of life' were sterilized under the terms of the sterilization law," she writes.

"The victims of this sterilization program were asylum inmates, ethnic majorities, servants, prostitutes, unmarried mothers, unskilled workers and others. This sterilization campaign was a direct prelude to mass murder: the prohibition against bearing 'unworthy children' was expanded into the 'euthanasia' programs, beginning with the murder of some 5000 children, and then into the infamous T4 'euthanasia' program in which some 350,000 German adults were killed under the disguise of euthanasia."

Chelouche concludes with a profound question: "Who can confront the Holocaust and not be put on alert to evaluate scientific paradigms and the implications for public policy that flow from them, so that what we, as medical professionals and as human beings, want and identify as good, will be for the sake of respecting and saving human life? They too asked and answered the question: who shall live and who shall die? Then and now the subject at hand is killing, letting die, helping to die, and using the dead. Then and now the goal is to produce healthier human beings."

Dr. Tessa Chelouche is a physician with Clalit Health Services, in the Shomron District in Israel, and is affiliated with the Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Ramat Aviv, Israel.

[Legion]

Touché !

[vincponcet]

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07090708.html

Israeli Doctor Exposes Nazi Abortion Program

An Israeli doctor has recently published an account of the Nazi use of abortion, euthanasia, and sterilization to eliminate groups they deemed "inferior stock", especially Jewish and Slavic people.

Dr. Tessa Chelouche writes that "Abortion was used as a weapon of mass destruction in Eastern Europe," where "it has been estimated that tens of thousands of Polish and Russian women were compelled to abort not because of health reasons, but because of Nazi dogma." She goes on to quote Hitler's 1942 policy statement on the application of abortion to Slavic people, which is chillingly similar to modern Planned Parenthood propaganda:

"In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to install in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman's health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics."

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, expressed a similar objective about eliminating US colored people in a letter she wrote only months after Hitler's invasion of Poland: "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Today, Planned Parenthood and other international promoters of abortion, sterilization, and contraception, often claim that the availability of such services is a "health issue" and is necessary to fight poverty, echoing Hitler's slogans.

The article, "Doctors, Pregnancy, Childbirth and Abortion during the Third Reich," which appeared in the March issue of the Israel Medical Association Journal, shows that Hitler facilitated and promoted abortion and sterilization for "inferior genetic stock" while simultaneously practicing "positive eugenics" by prohibiting most abortions and sterilizations of "Aryan" German women. This practice reflected the same reasoning behind Margaret Sanger's famous slogan "more from the fit, less from the unfit".

In 1942 and 1943, the Nazis implemented mandatory abortion programs in some ghettos. "The punishment for giving birth and for delivering the infant was death for the whole family and for the Jewish doctor or midwife," writes Chelouche. In the concentration camps, however, "pregnant women were usually sent to their immediate deaths upon arrival just because they were pregnant."

Chelouche's also notes that the German sterilization program led easily to a program of mass murder of unwanted groups. "During the five and a half years preceding the outbreak of the Second World War, about 320,000 German persons with 'lives unworthy of life' were sterilized under the terms of the sterilization law," she writes.

"The victims of this sterilization program were asylum inmates, ethnic majorities, servants, prostitutes, unmarried mothers, unskilled workers and others. This sterilization campaign was a direct prelude to mass murder: the prohibition against bearing 'unworthy children' was expanded into the 'euthanasia' programs, beginning with the murder of some 5000 children, and then into the infamous T4 'euthanasia' program in which some 350,000 German adults were killed under the disguise of euthanasia."

Chelouche concludes with a profound question: "Who can confront the Holocaust and not be put on alert to evaluate scientific paradigms and the implications for public policy that flow from them, so that what we, as medical professionals and as human beings, want and identify as good, will be for the sake of respecting and saving human life? They too asked and answered the question: who shall live and who shall die? Then and now the subject at hand is killing, letting die, helping to die, and using the dead. Then and now the goal is to produce healthier human beings."

Dr. Tessa Chelouche is a physician with Clalit Health Services, in the Shomron District in Israel, and is affiliated with the Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Ramat Aviv, Israel.

record battu !

Le point goodwin a été atteint en un seul post.

[melodius]

D'abord c'est le point Godwin. Ensuite ton intervention est nulle.

[vincponcet]

D'abord c'est le point Godwin. Ensuite ton intervention est nulle.

Il n'y avait pas de commentaires, donc j'ai compris que le but du post était de dire "les nazis ont organisés des avortements, donc l'avortement, c'est un truc de nazi".

Maintenant, c'était peut-être autre chose. Mais sans commentaire, on ne peut pas savoir ce qui motivait la personne qui a posté cet article.

[h16]

Maintenant, c'était peut-être autre chose. Mais sans commentaire, on ne peut pas savoir ce qui motivait la personne qui a posté cet article.

… dès lors, conclure à un point Godwin sans savoir, ce serait un peu rapide, non ?

[Ronnie Hayek]

Il n'y avait pas de commentaires, donc j'ai compris que le but du post était de dire "les nazis ont organisés des avortements, donc l'avortement, c'est un truc de nazi".

Je suppose que c'est un rappel à l'attention des libéraux défendant ce genre d'horreurs (horreurs dont la banalisation actuelle montre que, malheureusement, les nazis ont gagné spirituellement). Nul n'est à l'abri de la tentation totalitaire.

[vincponcet]

… dès lors, conclure à un point Godwin sans savoir, ce serait un peu rapide, non ?

Donc d'après toi, à un post sans commentaire, on ne devrait pas faire de commentaires ?

[José]

…les nazis ont gagné spirituellement…

Disons plutôt les socialistes de tous les partis.

[Ronnie Hayek]

Disons plutôt les socialistes de tous les partis.

C'est encore pire que ça.

[h16]

Donc d'après toi, à un post sans commentaire, on ne devrait pas faire de commentaires ?

Tu peux commenter le post, mais commenter les intentions supposées du posteur, ce n'est pas la même chose…

[Coldstar]

D'autant que les pratiques nazies ne s'inscrivent pas dans une simple dichotomie pro life / pro abortion:

Today, Planned Parenthood and other international promoters of abortion, sterilization, and contraception, often claim that the availability of such services is a "health issue" and is necessary to fight poverty, echoing Hitler's slogans.

The article, "Doctors, Pregnancy, Childbirth and Abortion during the Third Reich," which appeared in the March issue of the Israel Medical Association Journal, shows that Hitler facilitated and promoted abortion and sterilization for "inferior genetic stock" while simultaneously practicing "positive eugenics" by prohibiting most abortions and sterilizations of "Aryan" German women. This practice reflected the same reasoning behind Margaret Sanger's famous slogan "more from the fit, less from the unfit".

Le terme de Planned Parenthood doit fédérer tous les libéraux dans une même opposition.

[Roniberal]

Ensuite ton intervention est nulle.

Je n'aurais su mieux dire.

donc j'ai compris que le but du post était de dire "les nazis ont organisés des avortements, donc l'avortement, c'est un truc de nazi".

Je te rassure, je n'ai pas attendu de lire ce texte pour savoir que les nazis avaient recours à ce type de pratiques.

Mais j'ai pensé à certains personnes en ouvrant ce fil selon lesquelles les nazis et les "tradis" avaient une vision similaire de la famille.

Donc d'après toi, à un post sans commentaire, on ne devrait pas faire de commentaires ?

Tout à fait, quand on ne connaît pas les intentions de l'auteur, on se tait et on ne balance pas des points Godwin.

Sinon, un commentaire sur l'article lui-même?

[Invité jabial]

Je doute tout de même que les nazis aient favorisés l'avortement dans l'ingroup. Je serais curieux de savoir si un couple de bons aryens avait le droit de se faire avorter dans l'Allemagne nazie.

[Rincevent]

Mais j'ai pensé à certains personnes en ouvrant ce fil selon lesquelles les nazis et les "tradis" avaient une vision similaire de la famille.

Sur le plan de la théorie, il y a indéniablement certaines convergences (le fameux slogan Kinder, Kirche, Küche), mais ça ne prouve rien.

(Ca va, j'ai écrit assez gros pour que personne ne tente un strawman ?)

[Roniberal]

Sur le plan de la théorie, il y a indéniablement certaines convergences (le fameux slogan Kinder, Kirche, Küche), mais ça ne prouve rien.

(Ca va, j'ai écrit assez gros pour que personne ne tente un strawman ?)

Non, rien compris à ton intervention étant donné que tu n'étais pas visé.

[pankkake]

Je doute tout de même que les nazis aient favorisés l'avortement dans l'ingroup. Je serais curieux de savoir si un couple de bons aryens avait le droit de se faire avorter dans l'Allemagne nazie.

Puisqu'on en est à (une fois de plus) se dire "tu as la même opinion qu'un méchant", le documentaire sur les communistes français sur France 3 évoquait à un moment la question de l'avortement. Et pour le PCF, l'avortement, c'était mal.

[Roniberal]

Et pour le PCF, l'avortement, c'était mal.

Oui, je sais, j'avais déjà vu ce documentaire il y a un peu plus de 2 ans Mais as-tu vu les motifs invoqués pour s'y opposer?

[Ronnie Hayek]

Puisqu'on en est à (une fois de plus) se dire "tu as la même opinion qu'un méchant", le documentaire sur les communistes français sur France 3 évoquait à un moment la question de l'avortement. Et pour le PCF, l'avortement, c'était mal.

J'avais expliqué la raison de ce positionnement circonstanciel du PCF dans le fil Sexual Behaviour en réponse à un coup bas de ton père spirituel : http://www.liberaux.org/index.php?s=&s…st&p=316922

Curieux que mon post te soit passé sous les yeux, alors que tu as répondu après moi et que tu as discuté avec moi ensuite.

[Coldstar]

Je doute tout de même que les nazis aient favorisés l'avortement dans l'ingroup. Je serais curieux de savoir si un couple de bons aryens avait le droit de se faire avorter dans l'Allemagne nazie.

Si tu avais lu mon post ainsi que la partie que j'en ai extrait tu ne te poserais pas la question

The article, "Doctors, Pregnancy, Childbirth and Abortion during the Third Reich," which appeared in the March issue of the Israel Medical Association Journal, shows that Hitler facilitated and promoted abortion and sterilization for "inferior genetic stock" while simultaneously practicing "positive eugenics" by prohibiting most abortions and sterilizations of "Aryan" German women. This practice reflected the same reasoning behind Margaret Sanger's famous slogan "more from the fit, less from the unfit".

D'où ma conclusion pleine de sagesse:

Les pratiques nazies ne s'inscrivent pas dans une simple dichotomie pro life / pro abortion:

C'est le terme de Planned Parenthood doit fédérer tous les libéraux dans une même opposition.