José Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 Étonnant, ou peut-être pas : les Américains universitaires et riches divorcent très peu, alors que les pauvres, plus particulièrement les Afro-américains divorcent beaucoup, si jamais ils se marient. La même tendance s'observe dans la naissance des enfants hors mariage : très peu chez les mères universitaires, très nombreuses chez les mères sans études. Conclusion faite par The Economist : l'échec matrimonial est devenu une nouvelle cause de la brèche sociale entre riches et pauvres. L'instabilité familiale est devenue synomyme de margination sociale. Marriage in AmericaThe frayed knot May 24th 2007 | MORGANTOWN, WEST VIRGINIA From The Economist print edition As the divorce rate plummets at the top of American society and rises at the bottom, the widening “marriage gap” is breeding inequality THE students at West Virginia University don't want you to think they take life too seriously. It is the third-best “party school” in America, according to the Princeton Review's annual ranking of such things, and comes a creditable fifth in the “lots of beer” category. Booze sometimes causes students' clothes to fall off. Those who wake up garmentless after a hook-up endure the “walk of shame”, trudging back to their own dormitories in an obviously borrowed football shirt, stirring up gossip with every step. And yet, for all their protestations of wildness, the students are a serious-minded bunch. Yes, they have pre-marital sex. “I don't see how it's a bad thing,” says Ashley, an 18-year-old studying criminology. But they are careful not to fall pregnant. It would be “a major disaster,” says Ashley. She has plans. She wants to finish her degree, go to the FBI academy in Virginia and then start a career as a “profiler” helping to catch dangerous criminals. She wants to get married when she is about 24, and have children perhaps at 26. She thinks having children out of wedlock is not wrong, but unwise. A few blocks away, in a soup kitchen attached to a church, another 18-year-old balances a baby on her knee. Laura has a less planned approach to parenthood. “It just happened,” she says. The father and she were “never really together”, merely “friends with benefits, I guess”. He is now gone. “I didn't want to put up with his stuff,” she says. “Drugs and stuff,” she adds, by way of explanation. There is a widening gulf between how the best- and least-educated Americans approach marriage and child-rearing. Among the elite (excluding film stars), the nuclear family is holding up quite well. Only 4% of the children of mothers with college degrees are born out of wedlock. And the divorce rate among college-educated women has plummeted. Of those who first tied the knot between 1975 and 1979, 29% were divorced within ten years. Among those who first married between 1990 and 1994, only 16.5% were. At the bottom of the education scale, the picture is reversed. Among high-school dropouts, the divorce rate rose from 38% for those who first married in 1975-79 to 46% for those who first married in 1990-94. Among those with a high school diploma but no college, it rose from 35% to 38%. And these figures are only part of the story. Many mothers avoid divorce by never marrying in the first place. The out-of-wedlock birth rate among women who drop out of high school is 15%. Among African-Americans, it is a staggering 67%. Does this matter? Kay Hymowitz of the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think-tank, says it does. In her book “Marriage and Caste in America”, she argues that the “marriage gap” is the chief source of the country's notorious and widening inequality. Middle-class kids growing up with two biological parents are “socialised for success”. They do better in school, get better jobs and go on to create intact families of their own. Children of single parents or broken families do worse in school, get worse jobs and go on to have children out of wedlock. This makes it more likely that those born near the top or the bottom will stay where they started. America, argues Ms Hymowitz, is turning into “a nation of separate and unequal families”. A large majority—92%—of children whose families make more than $75,000 a year live with two parents (including step-parents). At the bottom of the income scale—families earning less than $15,000—only 20% of children live with two parents. One might imagine that this gap arises simply because two breadwinners earn more than one. A single mother would have to be unusually talented and diligent to make as much as $75,000 while also raising children on her own. And it is impossible in America for two full-time, year-round workers to earn less than $15,000 between them, unless they are (illegally) paid less than the minimum wage. But there is more to it than this. Marriage itself is “a wealth-generating institution”, according to Barbara Dafoe Whitehead and David Popenoe, who run the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University. Those who marry “till death do us part” end up, on average, four times richer than those who never marry. This is partly because marriage provides economies of scale—two can live more cheaply than one—and because the kind of people who make more money—those who work hard, plan for the future and have good interpersonal skills—are more likely to marry and stay married. But it is also because marriage affects the way people behave. American men, once married, tend to take their responsibilities seriously. Avner Ahituv of the University of Haifa and Robert Lerman of the Urban Institute found that “entering marriage raises hours worked quickly and substantially.” Married men drink less, take fewer drugs and work harder, earning between 10% and 40% more than single men with similar schooling and job histories. And marriage encourages both spouses to save and invest more for the future. Each partner provides the other with a form of insurance against falling sick or losing a job. Marriage also encourages the division of labour. Ms Dafoe Whitehead and Mr Popenoe put it like this: “Working as a couple, individuals can develop those skills in which they excel, leaving others to their partner.” Mum handles the tax returns while Dad fixes the car. Or vice versa. As Adam Smith observed two centuries ago, when you specialise, you get better at what you do, and you produce more. Perhaps the most convincing work showing that marriage is more than just a piece of paper was done by Mr Lerman of the Urban Institute. In “Married and Unmarried Parenthood and Economic Wellbeing”, he addressed the “selection effect”—the question of whether married-couple families do better because of the kind of people who marry, or because of something about marriage itself. Using data from a big annual survey, he looked at all the women who had become pregnant outside marriage. He estimated the likelihood that they would marry, using dozens of variables known to predict this, such as race, income and family background. He then found out whether they did in fact marry, and what followed. His results were striking. Mothers who married ended up much better off than mothers with the same disadvantages who did not. So did their children. Among those in the bottom quartile of “propensity to marry”, those who married before the baby was six months old were only half as likely to be raising their children in poverty five years later as those who did not (33% to 60%). Changes in family structure thus have a large impact on the economy. One of the most-cited measures of prosperity, household income, is misleading over time because household sizes have changed. In 1947, the average household contained 3.6 people. By 2006, that number had dwindled to 2.6. This partly reflects two happy facts: more young singles can afford to flee the nest and their parents are living longer after they go. But it also reflects the dismal trend towards family break-up. A study by Adam Thomas and Isabel Sawhill concluded that if the black family had not collapsed between 1960 and 1998, the black child-poverty rate would have been 28.4% rather than 45.6%. And if white families had stayed like they were in 1960, the white child poverty rate would have been 11.4% rather than 15.4%. Children of the sexual revolution Since the 1960s, the easy availability of reliable contraception has helped to spur a revolution in sexual mores. As opportunities for women opened up in the workplace, giving them an incentive to delay child-bearing, a little pill let them do just that without sacrificing sex. At the same time, better job opportunities for women changed the balance of power within marriage. Wives became less economically dependent on their husbands, so they found it easier to walk out of unhappy or abusive relationships. As the sexual revolution gathered steam, the idea that a nuclear family was the only acceptable environment in which to raise a child crumbled. The social stigma around single motherhood, which was intense before the 1960s, has faded. But attitudes still vary by class. College-educated women typically see single motherhood as a distant second-best to marriage. If they have babies out of wedlock, it is usually because they have not yet got round to marrying the man they are living with. Or because, finding themselves single and nearly 40, they decide they cannot wait for Mr Right and so seek a sperm donor. By contrast, many of America's least-educated women live in neighbourhoods where single motherhood is the norm. And when they have babies outside marriage, they are typically younger than their middle-class counterparts, in less stable relationships and less prepared for what will follow. Consider the home life of Lisa Ballard, a 26-year-old single mother in Morgantown. She strains every nerve to give her children the best upbringing she can, while also looking for a job. Her four-year-old son Alex loves the Dr Seuss book “Green Eggs and Ham”, so she reads it to him, and once put green food colouring in his breakfast eggs, which delighted him. But the sheer complexity of her domestic arrangements makes life “very challenging”, she says. She has four children by three different men. Two were planned, two were not. Two live with her; she has shared custody of one and no custody of another. One of the fathers was “a butthole” who hit her, she says, and is no longer around. The other two are “good fathers”, in that they have steady jobs, pay maintenance, make their children laugh and do not spank them. But none of them still lives with her. Miss Ballard now thinks that having children before getting married was “not a good idea”. She says she would like to get married some day, though she finds the idea of long-term commitment scary. “You've got to definitely make sure it's the person you want to grow old with. You know, sitting on rocking chairs giggling at the comics. I want to find the right one. I ask God: ‘What does he look like? Can you give me a little hint?’” If she does find and wed the man of her dreams, Miss Ballard will encounter a problem. She has never seen her own father. Having never observed a stable marriage close-up, she will have to guess how to make one work. By contrast, Ashley, the criminology student at the nearby university, has never seen a divorce in her family. This makes it much more likely that, when the time is right, she will get married and stay that way. And that, in turn, makes it more likely that her children will follow her to college. Most children in single-parent homes “grow up without serious problems”, writes Mary Parke of the Centre for Law and Social Policy, a think-tank in Washington, DC. But they are more than five times as likely to be poor as those who live with two biological parents (26% against 5%). Children who do not live with both biological parents are also roughly twice as likely to drop out of high school and to have behavioural or psychological problems. Even after controlling for race, family background and IQ, children of single mothers do worse in school than children of married parents, says Ms Hymowitz. Children whose father was never around face the toughest problems. For those whose parents split up, the picture is more nuanced. If parents detest each other and quarrel bitterly, their kids may actually benefit from a divorce. Paul Amato of Penn State University has found that 40% of American divorces leave the children better (or at least, no worse) off than the turbulent marriages that preceded them. In other cases, however, what is good for the parents may well harm the children. And two parents are likely to be better at child-rearing because they can devote more time and energy to it than one can. Research also suggests that middle- and working-class parents approach child-rearing in different ways. Professional parents shuttle their kids from choir practice to baseball camp and check that they are doing their homework. They also talk to them more. One study found that a college professor's kids hear an average of 2,150 words per hour in the first years of life. Working-class children hear 1,250 and those in welfare families only 620. Co-habiting couples have the same number of hands as married couples, so they ought to make equally good parents. Many do, but on average the children of co-habiting couples do worse by nearly every measure. One reason is that such relationships are less stable than marriages. In America, they last about two years on average. About half end in marriage. But those who live together before marriage are more likely to divorce. Many people will find this surprising. A survey of teenagers by the University of Michigan found that 64% of boys and 57% of girls agreed that “it is usually a good idea for a couple to live together before getting married in order to find out whether they really get along.” Research suggests otherwise. Two-thirds of American children born to co-habiting parents who later marry will see their parents split up by the time they are ten. Those born within wedlock face only half that risk. The likeliest explanation is inertia, says Scott Stanley of the Centre for Marital and Family Studies at the University of Denver, Colorado. Couples start living together because it is more fun (and cheaper) than living apart. One partner may see this as a prelude to marriage. The other—usually the man—may see it as something more temporary. Since no explicit commitment is made, it is easier to drift into living together than it is to drift into a marriage. But once a couple is living together, it is harder to split up than if they were merely dating. So “many of these men end up married to women they would not have married if they hadn't been living together,” says Mr Stanley, co-author of a paper called “Sliding versus deciding”. A little help from the government Most American politicians say they support marriage, but few do much about it, except perhaps to sound off about the illusory threat to it from gays. The public are divided. Few want to go back to the attitudes or divorce laws of the 1950s. But many at both ends of the political spectrum lament the fragility of American families and would change, at least, the way the tax code penalises many couples who marry. And some politicians want the state to draw attention to benefits of marriage, as it does to the perils of smoking. George Bush is one. Since last year, his administration has been handing out grants to promote healthy marriages. This is a less preachy enterprise than you might expect. Sidonie Squier, the bureaucrat in charge, does not argue that divorce is wrong: “If you're being abused, you should get out.” Nor does she think the government should take a view on whether people should have pre-marital sex. Her budget for boosting marriage is tiny: $100m a year, or about what the Defence Department spends every two hours. Some of it funds research into what makes a relationship work well and whether outsiders can help. Most of the rest goes to groups that try to help couples get along better, some of which are religiously-inspired. The first 124 grants were disbursed only last September, so it is too early to say whether any of this will work. But certain approaches look hopeful. One is “marriage education”. This is not the same as marriage therapy or counselling. Rather than waiting till a couple is in trouble and then having them sit down with a specialist to catalogue each other's faults, the administration favours offering relationship tips to large classes. The army already does this. About 35,000 soldiers this year will get a 12-hour course on how to communicate better with their partners, and how to resolve disputes without throwing plates. It costs about $300 per family. Given that it costs $50,000 to recruit and train a rifleman, and that marital problems are a big reason why soldiers quit, you don't have to save many marriages for this to be cost-effective, says Peter Frederich, the chaplain in charge. Several studies have shown that such courses do indeed help couples communicate better and quarrel less bitterly. As to whether they prevent divorce, a meta-analysis by Jason Carroll and William Doherty concluded that the jury was still out. The National Institutes of Health is paying for a five-year study of Mr Frederich's soldiers to shed further light on the issue. Americans expect a lot from marriage. Whereas most Italians say the main purpose of marriage is to have children, 70% of Americans think it is something else. They want their spouse to make them happy. Some go further and assume that if they are not happy, it must be because they picked the wrong person. Sometimes that is true, sometimes not. There is no such thing as a perfectly compatible couple, argues Diane Sollee, director of smartmarriages.com, a pro-marriage group. Every couple has disputes, she says. What matters most is how they resolve them. At the end of the day, says Ms Squier, the government's influence over the culture of marriage will be marginal. Messages from movies, peers and parents matter far more. But she does not see why, for example, the government's only contact with an unmarried father should be to demand that he pay child support. By not even mentioning marriage, the state is implying that no one expects him to stick around. Is that a helpful message? http://www.economist.com/world/na/displays…tory_id=9218127
melodius Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 Ca rejoint tout à fait les remarques de Librekom dans le fil sur l'homoparentalité.
Yozz Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 Ca rejoint tout à fait les remarques de Librekom dans le fil sur l'homoparentalité. L'article ne va pas aussi loin, mais ça fait aussi songer à ta remarque récurrente et juste que le divorce des parents est un fort indicateur de niveau social futur des enfants d'ailleurs. Test simple: combien d'enfants de divorcés avez-vous connu en école secondaire, et combien à l'unif/études supérieures?
Nick de Cusa Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Et bien, on est habillé pour l'hiver.. Témoignage d'enfant de divorcés: on peut y arriver. Dans mon cas, avec les tares qu'on me connaît, mais bon, j'ai dépassé le bac (ainsi que mes trois frères et soeurs, je suis heureux pouvoir le dire).
A.B. Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Plus il y a d'argent dans le couple moins il y a de disputes. La tendance s'inverse en bout de distribution.
Apollon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Il faut se méfier de ce chiffre. Quand on appartient à un milieu élevé on conservera les apparences d'un couple pour maintenir son niveau social alors que des pauvres ont moins intérêt à rester ensemble. D'où ce phénomène de gens mariés, aisés ou classes moyennes, qui sont séparés mais restent mariés et même demeurent sous le même toit.
Ronnie Hayek Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Il faut se méfier de ce chiffre. Quand on appartient à un milieu élevé on conservera les apparences d'un couple pour maintenir son niveau social alors que des pauvres ont moins intérêt à rester ensemble. D'où ce phénomène de gens mariés, aisés ou classes moyennes, qui sont séparés mais restent mariés et même demeurent sous le même toit. Heu, oui, mais précisément ils ne divorcent pas. Donc, je ne comprends pas en quoi cela inciterait à la méfiance.
Apollon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Heu, oui, mais précisément ils ne divorcent pas. Donc, je ne comprends pas en quoi cela inciterait à la méfiance. Si on prend ce chiffre au premier degré ok mais àma il se prête très facilement à une conclusion : les mariages des noirs et des pauvres marchent moins. Mais ce chiffre ne permet nullement de le déduire puisqu'un mariage qui échoue chez par exemple des riches se traduira moins souvent par un divorce.
Guest Arn0 Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Il faut se méfier de ce chiffre. Quand on appartient à un milieu élevé on conservera les apparences d'un couple pour maintenir son niveau social alors que des pauvres ont moins intérêt à rester ensemble. D'où ce phénomène de gens mariés, aisés ou classes moyennes, qui sont séparés mais restent mariés et même demeurent sous le même toit. Si ils vivent sous le même toit ils ne sont pas séparés. Pour moi le coeur du mariage ce n'est pas le sexe ou l'amour mais la famille.
Ronnie Hayek Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Si ils vivent sous le même toit ils ne sont pas séparés. Pour moi le coeur du mariage ce n'est pas le sexe ou l'amour mais la famille. Tout à fait.
Apollon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Si ils vivent sous le même toit ils ne sont pas séparés. Pour moi le coeur du mariage ce n'est pas le sexe ou l'amour mais la famille. C'est bien vu mais rester ensemble à cause de contraintes extérieures plutôt que par souhait ne me semble pas une réussite. Aussi importante que la famille soit, il faut savoir tirer la conséquence de la rupture du lien conjugal. Faire vivre un couple mort relève en général non de courage et de dévotion pour la famille mais de lacheté.
Ronnie Hayek Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 C'est bien vu mais rester ensemble à cause de contraintes extérieures plutôt que par souhait ne me semble pas une réussite. Aussi importante que la famille soit, il faut savoir tirer la conséquence de la rupture du lien conjugal. Faire vivre un couple mort relève en général non de courage et de dévotion pour la famille mais de lacheté. Ah bon, et pourquoi serait-ce de la lâcheté? (Je ne prétends pas qu'il s'agisse inversement de courage, note bien, vu que cela se situe sur un autre plan).
Punu Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 C'est bien vu mais rester ensemble à cause de contraintes extérieures plutôt que par souhait ne me semble pas une réussite. Aussi importante que la famille soit, il faut savoir tirer la conséquence de la rupture du lien conjugal. Faire vivre un couple mort relève en général non de courage et de dévotion pour la famille mais de lacheté. Laisser tomber et se casser ne sont pas non plus des exemples de bravoure.
Apollon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Ah bon, et pourquoi serait-ce de la lâcheté? Parce qu'il faut du courage pour rompre sur le papier ce qui est rompu dans les coeurs. Je sais que le courage est une vertu mais elle peut très bien être mise au service d'un vice.
Ronnie Hayek Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Parce qu'il faut du courage pour rompre sur le papier ce qui est rompu dans les coeurs. Je sais que le courage est une vertu mais elle peut très bien être mise au service d'un vice. Et dans le cas où le couple a des enfants, que font-ils des intérêts de ces derniers ?
Apollon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Laisser tomber et se casser ne sont pas non plus des exemples de bravoure. Divorcer ce n'est pas fuir, de nombreuses responsabilités demeurent. Et dans le cas où le couple a des enfants, que font-ils des intérêts de ces derniers ? Tu es donc contre le droit au divorce.
Guest Arn0 Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Il me semble quand même qu'il existe plusieurs situations. Si les parents se détestent et ne peuvent pas se supporter alors même dans l'intérêt des enfants il vaut mieux qu'ils se séparent (en essayant de rester dans le même quartier si possible). Si les parents subissent juste un désintérêt mutuel alors il vaut mieux pour les enfants qu'ils continuent de vivre ensemble jusqu'à leur départ du foyer familial (quitte à aller voir ailleurs discrètement entre temps). (Moi je ne parle pas de droit, je considère que c'est plutôt un problème de moralité)
Ronnie Hayek Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Tu es donc contre le droit au divorce. Tu débarques, là ! Non, plus précisément, j'estime que le divorce est à tort considéré comme un droit normal et incriticable. Je ne considère pas que la "libéralisation" du divorce favorise véritablement la liberté. Au contraire, elle atomise les familles au plus grand bénéfice de… devine qui?
A.B. Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Non, plus précisément, j'estime que le divorce est à tort considéré comme un droit normal et incriticable. Tu veux dire que le divorce est criticable ou que le droit de divorcer l'est ? Je ne considère pas que la "libéralisation" du divorce favorise véritablement la liberté. Bien sur, restreignons des libertés comme ca les gens seront plus libres. (N.B. c'est possible mais moralement inacceptable)
Ronnie Hayek Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Tu veux dire que le divorce est criticable ou que le droit de divorcer l'est ? Les deux, mon général. Bien sur, restreignons des libertés comme ca les gens seront plus libres. (N.B. c'est possible mais moralement inacceptable) Les socialistes qui ont toujours favorisé le "droit à divorcer" seraient donc des libéraux sur ce plan-là?
Apollon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Tu débarques, là ! Non, plus précisément, j'estime que le divorce est à tort considéré comme un droit normal et incriticable. Je ne considère pas que la "libéralisation" du divorce favorise véritablement la liberté. Au contraire, elle atomise les familles au plus grand bénéfice de… devine qui? J'entend bien ta préoccupation mais qui d'autre que les époux peut décider du devenir de leur union… sinon tu-sais-qui.
Ronnie Hayek Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 J'entend bien ta préoccupation mais qui d'autre que les époux peut décider du devenir de leur union… sinon tu-sais-qui. Ah bon ? N'oublierais-tu pas certaine institution non étatique ?
Apollon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Ah bon ? N'oublierais-tu pas certaine institution non étatique ? La liberté consiste à laisser chacun poursuivre ses propres fins en fonction des moyens dont il dispose. Nous savons tous que le divorce est souhaitable dans certains cas et dès lors c'est l'opportunité du divorce seule qui pose problème. Elle doit être appréciée par quelqu'un. L'appréciation doit être celle des personnes concernées cad les époux et non toute autre institution qui pourrait poursuivre des fins propres. Leur rôle sera de corriger des injustices.
A.B. Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Les deux, mon général. Qu'y a-t-il de criticable dans le droit de divorcer? Les époux sont libres quand ils s'unissent de se laisser l'option de rompre leur union. ( d'ailleurs d'un point de vue rothbardien ils ne peuvent même pas renoncer à cette option ) Les socialistes qui ont toujours favorisé le "droit à divorcer" seraient donc des libéraux sur ce plan-là? S'ils ont défendu le droit de divorcer alors oui. Tu essayes de faire du divorce un droit créance en plaçant un "à" incongru… en quoi le divorce est-il une créance sur le droit de quelqu'un ?
Patrick Smets Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Qu'y a-t-il de criticable dans le droit de divorcer? Rien bien sur. Néanmoins, on peut s'interroger sur les modalités de la rupture de contrat. Faut-il pouvoir divorcer en 5 min ou au contraire faut-il une procédure longue et complexe ? Un peu comme la rupture d'un contrat d'achat au moment de la livraison du bien. Ca ne se fait pas dans les mêmes conditions pour un airbus et pour trois pommes chez le turc.
A.B. Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Rien bien sur. Je demande a RH qui me dit que ce droit est criticable…. Néanmoins, on peut s'interroger sur les modalités de la rupture de contrat. Faut-il pouvoir divorcer en 5 min ou au contraire faut-il une procédure longue et complexe ? Un peu comme la rupture d'un contrat d'achat au moment de la livraison du bien. Ca ne se fait pas dans les mêmes conditions pour un airbus et pour trois pommes chez le turc. C'est au parties prenantes de prédeterminer les procédures de rupture. Si les deux partis sont d'accord pour la rupture, ca peut se faire très vite, si un parti est réticent, la procédure est plus complexe etc.
Général Stugy Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Les deux, mon général. TSS TSS Le général c'est moi Mais qu'ils divorcent donc ! Tant que personne n'exige de moi que j'assume leurs responsabilités. Ceci dit je suis le 1er à désapprouver le divorce, notamment à cause des dégâts quasi-inévitables causés aux enfants. Je suis placé pour voir les résultats scolaires plonger, d'un élève dont les parents se séparent. Je suis par contre le dernier à critiquer les couples qui sombrent ainsi. L'étude présentée est intéressante. Mais qu'en faire ? Quelle idée saugrenue va-t-elle contribuer à faire germer dans les cervelles survoltées de nos crânes d'oeufs d'énarques ?
Mobius Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 Je demande a RH qui me dit que ce droit est criticable…. Chmod 777
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