Republican Presidential Candidates

[Ash]

Et John McCain, battu par Bush aux primaires républicaines de 2000?

Non les primaires ça n'est pas pareil. Je parlais bien de présidentielles.

[Ash]

Ron Paul CSPAN Washington Journal Interview 1 of 3

Ron Paul on PBS NewsHour with Jim Lehrer 1 of 2

Il déchire tout dans la dernière !

[Phil]

Ces types sont complètement barrés… Ils sont fous ces libertariens !

Cà y est ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCWhn2o0RIY

Cà va etre très grand ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVMgu-ZFiZU

Décolle-t-il dans les sondages?

Nationaux, non. Mais dans le New Hampshire oui. D'ailleurs RP vise beaucoup le NH et laisse un peu tomber l'Iowa. Dernierement, il est au coude à coude avec McCain.

[Phil]

C'est peut-être déjà une petite victoire

http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_20…aul-leadin.html

Ron Paul premier en Alaska!

[John Loque]

C'est peut-être déjà une petite victoire

http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_20…aul-leadin.html

Ron Paul premier en Alaska!

All polls conducted by Channel 2 News and KTUU.com are unscientific

[Phil]

pff j'ai du mal à avaler les sondages dit "scientifiques". Qui donnent RP à 4%… et Huckabee dans les 20% alors qu'il a à peine levé 4 millions de dollards jusqu'ici pour le 4eme quadrimestre.

[José]

December 12, 2007

My Interview with Ron Paul

By John Stossel

Over the last few months, I've received hundreds of e-mails from people asking me to interview Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, so I did.

It's refreshing to interview a politician who doesn't mince words. It's even more refreshing to interview one who understands the benefits of limited government.

Here, then, is the first in a series of columns on my talk with Ron Paul. Some of Paul's answers are shortened.

What should government do?

Ron Paul: Protect our freedoms. Have a strong national defense. Look at and take care of our borders. Have a sound currency. That was the responsibility of the federal government, not to run our lives and run everything in the economy and extend the interstate-commerce clause and the general-welfare clause to do anything they want to do.

So defense, the military, police forces enforce contracts, and that's about it?

That's it. We would have a court system to enforce contracts, and when people do harm to others, when they take property or injure property, or pollute a neighbor's air, I think there's a role for government to protect our environment through private-property rights.

So keep us safe, enforce contracts, run the courts, pollution rules and otherwise butt out? Leave us alone?

Basically that, which would mean if I'm elected, I should immediately take a pay cut. You know, because I wouldn't have so much to do.

The Department of Education. You'd get rid of it?

Yes. We don't need it.

How will people get educated?

We might get better education. The evidence shows, since the 1950s, since the federal government's gotten involved, the quality of education has gone down, and the cost has gone up.

The federal government should have no role?

There's no authority for it, and . they've proved themselves inefficient. The one city they're totally in charge of is Washington, D.C. Thirteen thousand dollars a year per student. They have more guns, more drugs, more violence. So there's no evidence that the government can do a very good job.

The Department of Energy.

We don't need a Department of Energy. It serves the interests of big business.

Other cabinet departments? Department of Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development. You'd get rid of all of them?

Yeah. Of course, that's not on the immediate agenda, but they're unnecessary, and we should think about what kind of a country we would have without these departments, and I think we would have a better country, and all those problems that they're supposed to solve, I think, would be lessened.

The Commerce Department? We don't need the Commerce Department to have commerce?

No, absolutely not.

Homeland Security. Isn't that a role for the federal government?

Not really, not the way that's designed. That's the biggest bureaucracy of them all. There are some parts that are OK. You know, they put the Coast Guard in there, and they put FEMA in there, and everybody's bunched together. And I think it was failure of government on 9/11, not the fact that we didn't have the Department of Homeland Security and . a national ID card, and this constant surveillance and loss of our privacy.

Failure of government how?

We spent $40 billion on intelligence gathering, and it didn't prevent (the 9/11 attacks) from happening. But the government was in charge of the airlines. FAA, they were supposed to inspect the people as they went on, and you weren't supposed to resist any takeovers, and (passengers and pilots) weren't allowed to have a gun. Maybe if you and I had the airlines, we might have said, "Hey, you know, we want to protect our passengers. Maybe we should have a stronger door on there, maybe we ought to give our pilots a gun." So 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

So government creates too many rules, and the wrong ones?

That basically it. Most of the time well-intentioned -- but good intentions will not solve our problems.

Next week, Rep. Ron Paul talks about the war in Iraq.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/…h_ron_paul.html

[José]

And Everybody Hates the Atheists

Romney tries to get ahead by climbing over unbelievers

Jacob Sullum | December 12, 2007

The take-home message of Mitt Romney's recent speech on religion and politics was pretty clear: I may be a Mormon, but at least I'm not an atheist.

Romney sought to strengthen his advantage as a presidential candidate known for being religious while assuaging the concerns of Americans who are reluctant to vote for a Mormon. He did so by reinforcing the public's longstanding prejudice against unbelievers, arguing that religion—any religion—is preferable to no religion at all.

According to an August survey by the Pew Center on Religion & Public Life, nearly half of those who express an opinion describe Romney as "very religious," and "most Americans continue to say that it is important for a president to have strong religious beliefs." At the same time, one in four Americans say a candidate's Mormonism would make them less likely to vote for him, and this aversion is especially strong among voters for whom a candidate's religiosity matters most: More than a third of white Republican evangelicals, who play an important role in choosing their party's nominee, are leery of Mormon candidates.

But the same survey that highlighted this problem also suggested a solution. "Being a Mormon is viewed as far less of a liability for a presidential candidate than not believing in God or being a Muslim," the Pew Center noted.

Bashing Muslims would fly in the face of the distinction President Bush always has drawn between violent jihadists and their moderate coreligionists. In his speech, Romney took the same tack, condemning "radical Islamists" while admiring ordinary Muslims' "commitment to frequent prayer" (along with Catholics' "profound ceremony," Pentecostals' "tenderness of spirit," Lutherans' "confident independence," and Jews' "ancient traditions").

Romney made no such distinctions in his treatment of atheists, who get even worse poll ratings than Muslims. While "45% express reluctance about voting for a Muslim," the Pew Center reports, "61% say they would be less likely to support a candidate who does not believe in God."

In a December 6–9 Gallup poll, nearly half of the respondents endorsed an even stronger anti-atheist statement, saying they would refuse to vote for "a generally well-qualified person" of their own party "who happened to be an atheist." The corresponding number for a Mormon candidate was 17 percent, about the same as before Romney's speech.

Romney tried to build on this advantage, wrapping together all religions, except for "the religion of secularism," in a warm, fuzzy package. "Any believer in religious freedom, any person who has knelt in prayer to the Almighty, has a friend and ally in me," he said. "We do not insist on a single strain of religion; rather we welcome our nation's symphony of faith."

Americans who have never "knelt in prayer" clearly should not bother auditioning for the "symphony of faith." Romney conspicuously failed to address the question of whether they also are excluded from his circle of friends and allies.

Romney's justification for treating all religions as presumptively good, no matter how wildly contradictory their teachings, is that they all share a "common creed of moral convictions." He enumerated three: "the equality of human kind, the obligation to serve one another, and a steadfast commitment to liberty." Yeah, there's no way an atheist could believe in those things.

To back up his claim that "freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom," Romney cited John Adams' comment that "our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people." Adams, a Unitarian who rejected orthodox Christian beliefs (including the divinity of Christ, which Romney was at pains to affirm), valued religion in general because he believed it restrained "human passions" such as "avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry."

Like other Founders who leaned toward deism or agnosticism, Adams thought religion was important not because it was true but because it helped keep the common people in line. Romney's promiscuous ecumenism suggests he holds a similar view.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/123857.html

[Apollon]

pff j'ai du mal à avaler les sondages dit "scientifiques". Qui donnent RP à 4%… et Huckabee dans les 20% alors qu'il a à peine levé 4 millions de dollards jusqu'ici pour le 4eme quadrimestre.

Huckabee passe pour un idiot et est méprisé par ses adversaires, non ?

Excellente stratégie qui a déjà fait ses preuves.

[Seb1986]

Je n ai pas suivi de tres pres mais outre Ron Paul, quel candidat peut etre considerer comme un choix raisonable d un point de vue liberal ?

J ai vu que Huckabee etait pour dissoudre l IRS et l impot sur le revenu, ca a l air d etre un bon signe. Any other?

[John Loque]

J ai vu que Huckabee etait pour dissoudre l IRS et l impot sur le revenu, ca a l air d etre un bon signe. Any other?

… pour le remplacer par une "TVA sociale" ! Le moins anti-libéral des autres est peut-être Fred Thompson, de peu. Mais entre le discours et les actes…

[kobsh_gigaone]

… pour le remplacer par une "TVA sociale" ! Le moins anti-libéral des autres est peut-être Fred Thompson, de peu. Mais entre le discours et les actes…

A noter que Ron Paul est également pour cette "Fair Tax", même si il l'explique d'une manière sensiblement différente et plus légitime :

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul347.html

Many conservatives have touted the Fair Tax proposal as an issue in the upcoming election. A pure consumption tax like the Fair Tax would be better than the current system only if we truly did away with the income tax by repealing the 16th amendment. Otherwise, we could end up with both the income tax and a national sales tax. A consumption tax also provides more transparency and less complexity. But the real issue is total spending by government, not tax reform. In other words, why change the tax structure if spending stays the same? Once we accept that the federal government needs $2.7 trillion from us – and more each year – the only question left is from whom it will be collected. Until the federal government is held to its proper constitutionally limited functions, tax reform will remain a mirage.

[Ash]

Tiens mange ça A.B. !

Alors elles sont où tes déportations ? Il est où le méchant Le pen ? Le HHH style ?

[John Loque]

Ron Paul à 11% en Caroline du Sud. First time double digits !

[Ash]

Tom Tancredo Responds To Criticism Of His New TV Ad

[kobsh_gigaone]

[Hakill]

Avec tout cet argent, je me demande pourquoi il y a si peu de pubs TV de lui (surtout que celles déjà existantes font un peu amateurs).

[Quartier-maître Quentin]

C'est aujourd'hui qu'ils voulaient lever encore plus de fonds que début novembre.

Son site affiche 14 millions contre 13 millions en début d'après-midi.

[walter-rebuttand]

http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/dec_16_extended_total.html

[A.B.]

Tiens mange ça A.B. !

Alors elles sont où tes déportations ?

Il dit qu'ils sont durs a attraper, mais il dit bien que quand ils en tiennent un ils le deportent. Ca ne vous choque pas quand il parle de "reward those who break the law"? Comme si le droit de travailler aux US etait une recompense, c'est a gerber.

[h16]

A.B., je dois dire que tu es un tantinet lourd, parfois. Mais comme je t'aime bien, je me bornerai à ce commentaire.

[A.B.]

A.B., je dois dire que tu es un tantinet lourd, parfois. Mais comme je t'aime bien, je me bornerai à ce commentaire.

Tu as raison, je reviens a la réalité… faut pas abuser quand c'est le président qui le décrète ce n'est pas vraiment du kidnapping, c'est pas pareil c'est le président… je ne sais pas ou j'avais la tete.

Vive les habits neufs de Ron Paul !

[pankkake]

A.B.: si tu sais habituellement garder ton calme, il est vrai que tu es très émotionnel sur ce fil (même si tu as raison sur le fond).

[Rincevent]

Pour aller plus au fond des choses, je crois qu'A.B. veut attirer notre attention sur un détail : que pas mal d'anarcaps prêts à "bouffer du politicien" de manière générale se transforment en groupies insupportables de l'un d'entre eux, rien que parce qu'il est plus libéral que les autres. Non pas que la cause de Ron Paul ne soit pas défendable, non pas non plus qu'il ne faille pas faire campagne pour lui : mais au moins, qu'ils arrêtent de mépriser la profession de politicien en général.

[A.B.]

A.B.: si tu sais habituellement garder ton calme, il est vrai que tu es très émotionnel sur ce fil (même si tu as raison sur le fond).

On touche a ce qui m'enerve le plus, l'admiration mal placée. Je ne connais rien de plus frustrant. Voir des libertariens chanter en coeur la messe pour un type dont les actions sont moralement indistinguables de celles d'un kidnappeur crapuleux me bloque la gorge et me tire les larmes.

Je suis également surpris et decu de voir que tant de libertariens pratiquent le culte du chapeau.

[Chitah]

On touche a ce qui m'enerve le plus, l'admiration mal placée. Je ne connais rien de plus frustrant.

J'ai pourtant érigé un autel à ta gloire chez moi! Qu'est-ce que je fais, je le détruits?

[A.B.]

J'ai pourtant érigé un autel à ta gloire chez moi! Qu'est-ce que je fais, je le détruits?

mal placée

[Chitah]

Je suis le prophète d'une nouvelle religion, dont A.B. est le Dieu tout puissant.

A ce titre, je lance une fatwa sur Ron Paul.

[A.B.]

A ce titre, je lance une fatwa sur Ron Paul.

Bien voilà tes 72 vierges.

[Chitah]

Bien voilà tes 72 vierges.

C'est tout? Tout ça pour ça……

Vazy, steuplé, on dit 144, c'est bien non, tu t'en fous toi t'es Dieu, ça change quedalle pour toi ……