Democratic Presidential Candidates

[Ash]

Attention les yeux !

[Taranne]

There was JoAnn Enos, from Minnesota, who digested Clinton's resounding endorsement of Barack Obama and decided that she, too, will move on and get behind him. "I'll vote for [Obama] in the roll call," she said, "because that's what Hillary wants."

Et ces gens-là viendront parler ensuite de "culte de la personnalité à propos d'Obama…

Vous aurez remarqué en tout cas que les plus enragés des "hillariens" sont des enragées, prêtes à refaire à Obama le coup que Chirac avait fait à Giscard, uniquement parce qu'elles voulaient une femme à la Maison Blanche. On a beaucoup parlé de la domination du GOP par les milieux d'affaires et la droite religieuse, mais la "communautarisation" du Parti Démocrate est au moins aussi préoccupante.

[Ronnie Hayek]

Et ces gens-là viendront parler ensuite de "culte de la personnalité à propos d'Obama…

Vous aurez remarqué en tout cas que les plus enragés des "hillariens" sont des enragées, prêtes à refaire à Obama le coup que Chirac avait fait à Giscard, uniquement parce qu'elles voulaient une femme à la Maison Blanche. On a beaucoup parlé de la domination du GOP par les milieux d'affaires et la droite religieuse, mais la "communautarisation" du Parti Démocrate est au moins aussi préoccupante.

Vu hier sur RTL-TVi une supporter démocrate qui répondait sur un ton hystérique, et les larmes aux yeux, à un journaliste : "Ce soir, c'est la soirée d'Hillary !"

[José]

Vu hier sur RTL-TVi une supporter démocrate qui répondait sur un ton hystérique, et les larmes aux yeux, à un journaliste : "Ce soir, c'est la soirée d'Hillary !"

De fait, l'équipe d'Obama commence à la trouver mal, l'attention médiatique générale autour du clan Clinton. On ne voit que ces derniers sur les écrans.

[Ronnie Hayek]

De fait, l'équipe d'Obama commence à la trouver mal, l'attention médiatique générale autour du clan Clinton. On ne voit que ces derniers sur les écrans.

La poulette en question était d'ailleurs une groupie d'Hillary (d'où son côté hystéro).

[Taranne]

La poulette en question était d'ailleurs une groupie d'Hillary (d'où son côté hystéro).

Hillarisme et hystérie sont effectivement des mots qui vont bien ensemble. Une forme américaine du ségolisme, en quelque sorte. J'ai failli me brouiller avec une copine très hillarienne (mais pas hillarante) en essayant de lui expliquer que, toutes choses se valant, les femmes blanches représentaient une classe beaucoup plus favorisée que les Noirs dans l'Amérique d'aujourd'hui. Je vous rassure: j'ai réussi à éviter les assiettes et les casseroles.

[José]

Je vous rassure: j'ai réussi à éviter les assiettes et les casseroles.

Mais quelle idée, aussi, que de vouloir causer politique - étrangère qui plus est - avec une gonzesse.

[José]

How Obama lost the election

By Spengler

DENVER - Senator Barack Obama's acceptance speech last week seemed vastly different from the stands of this city's Invesco Stadium than it did to the 40 million who saw it on television. Melancholy hung like thick smog over the reserved seats where I sat with Democratic Party staffers. The crowd, of course, cheered mechanically at the tag lines, flourished placards, and even rose for the obligatory wave around the stadium. But its mood was sour. The air carried the acrid smell of defeat, and the crowd took shallow breaths. Even the appearance of R&B great Stevie Wonder failed to get the blood pumping.

The speech itself dragged on for three-quarters of an hour. As David S Broder wrote in the Washington Post: "[Obama's] recital of a long list of domestic promises could have been delivered by any Democratic nominee from Walter Mondale to John Kerry. There was no theme music to the speech and really no phrase or sentence that is likely to linger in the memory of any listener. The thing I never expected did in fact occur: Al Gore, the famously wooden former vice president, gave a more lively and convincing speech than Obama did."

On television, Obama's spectacle might have looked like The Ten Commandments, but inside the stadium it felt like Night of the Living Dead. The longer the candidate spoke, and the more money he promised to spend on alternative energy, preschool education, universal health care, and other components of the Democratic pinata, the lower the party professionals slouched into their seats. The professionals I sat with were Hillary Clinton people, to be sure, and had reason to sulk, for an Obama victory might do them little good in any event.

The Democrats were watching the brightest and most articulate presidential candidate they have fielded since John F Kennedy snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And this was before John McCain, in a maneuver worthy of Admiral Chester Nimitz at the Battle of Midway, turned tables on the Democrats' strategy with the choice of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate.

Speaking to Obama supporters on the periphery of the big event, I was startled by the rapturous devotion elicited by the junior senator from Illinois. He is no symbol for identity politics, no sacrifice on the altar of white guilt, but the most gifted persuader of individuals that I have encountered in any country's politics, as well as a powerful orator on the grand stage. This is not a crowd phenomenon nor a fad, but the response of hundreds of people to an individual.

I sat in on a session with three leaders of Veterans for Obama, a group of retired young officers who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan, courtesy of the New Republic's writer on the scene, David Samuels. With passion and enthusiasm, these young people spoke of their hopes for nation-building in Iraq. The George W Bush administration should have put twice the resources into the beleaguered country, they harangued me - not just soldiers, but agronomists, traffic cops, lawyers, judges, and physicians. The Department of Agriculture should have mobilized, along with the Department of Justice.

Nation-building? Doubling down on the US commitment to Iraq? Isn't that trying to out-Bush the Bush administration, while Obama campaigned on getting out of Iraq and spending the money on programs at home? Unblinking, one of the soldiers said, "That's what we think Barack will do." They believed in a more expensive version of the administration's program, and faulted Bush for half measures - and somehow they believed that Obama really agreed with them, all the public evidence to the contrary. And they believed in Barack with perfect faith.

Gandalf's warnings about the irresistible voice of the wizard Saruman in J R R Tolkien's Lord of the Rings come to mind. If these battle-hardened veterans of America's wars fell so easily under the spell of Obama's voice, who can withstand it? Obama's persuasive powers, though, are strongest when channeled through the empathy of his interlocutor. Everyone believes that Obama feels his pain, shares his dream, and will fight his fight and heal his ills. But that is everyone as an individual. Add all the individuals up into a campaign platform, and it turns into three-quarters of an hour worth of promises that echo all the ghosts of conventions past.

Obama will spend the rest of his life wondering why he rejected the obvious road to victory, that is, choosing Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential nominee. However reluctantly, Clinton would have had to accept. McCain's choice of vice presidential candidate made obvious after the fact what the party professionals felt in their fingertips at the stadium extravaganza yesterday: rejecting Clinton in favor of the colorless, unpopular, tangle-tongued Washington perennial Joe Biden was a statement of weakness. McCain's selection was a statement of strength. America's voters will forgive many things in a politician, including sexual misconduct, but they will not forgive weakness.

That is why McCain will win in November, and by a landslide, barring some unforeseen event. Obama is the most talented and persuasive politician of his generation, the intellectual superior of all his competitors, but a fatally insecure personality. American voters are not intellectual, but they are shrewd, like animals. They can smell insecurity, and the convention stank of it. Obama's prospective defeat is entirely of its own making. No one is more surprised than Republican strategists, who were convinced just weeks ago that a weakening economy ensured a Democratic victory.

Biden, who won 3% of the popular vote in the Democratic presidential primary in his home state of Delaware, and 1% or less in every other contest he entered, is ballot-box poison. Obama evidently chose him to assuage critics who point to his lack of foreign policy credentials. That was a deadly error, for by appearing to concede the critics' claim that he knows little about foreign policy, Obama raised questions about whether he is qualified to be president in the first place. He had a winning alternative, which was to pick Clinton. That would have sent a double message: first, that Obama is tough enough to make the slippery Clintons into his subordinates, and second, that he is generous enough to extend a hand to his toughest adversary in the cause of unity.

Why didn't Obama choose Hillary? The most credible explanation came from veteran columnist Robert Novak May 10, who reports that Michelle Obama vetoed Hillary's candidacy. "The Democratic front-runner's wife did not comment on other rival candidates for the party's nomination, but she has been sniping at Clinton since last summer. According to Obama sources, those public utterances do not reveal the extent of her hostility," Novak wrote. If that is true, then Obama succumbed to the character weakness I described in a February 26 profile of (Obama's women reveal his secret). His peculiar dependency on an assertive and often rancorous spouse, I argued, made him vulnerable, and predicted that Obama "will destroy himself before he destroys the country".

Alternately, Obama might have chosen a rising Democratic star like Virginia's 50-year-old governor Tim Kaine. A weaker choice than Hillary, Kaine (or someone like him) would have made a bold statement of self-confidence. Obama could have said with credibility that he would bring to Washington a new generation of outsiders who would change the old system. Instead, Obama saddled an old and unpopular Washington warhorse.

Curiously, Obama ignored the rising stars of his own party, offering the prime time speaking slots to familiar faces, including Senator Edward Kennedy and Bill and Hillary Clinton, as well as his own wife, the first prospective First Lady to take the keynote spot in the history of American party conventions.

McCain doesn't have a tenth of Obama's synaptic fire-power, but he is a nasty old sailor who knows when to come about for a broadside. Given Obama's defensive, even wimpy selection of a running-mate, McCain's choice was obvious. He picked the available candidate most like himself: a maverick with impeccable reform credentials, a risk-seeking commercial fisherwoman and huntress married to a marathon snowmobile racer who carries a steelworkers union card. The Democratic order of battle was to tie McCain to the Bush administration and attack McCain by attacking Bush. With Palin on the ticket, McCain has re-emerged as the maverick he really is.

The young Alaskan governor, to be sure, hasn't any business running for vice president of the United States with her thin resume. McCain and his people know this perfectly well, and that is precisely why they put her on the ticket. If Palin is unqualified to be vice president, all the less so is Obama qualified to be president.

McCain has certified his authenticity for the voters. He's now the outsider, the reformer, the maverick, the war hero running next to the Alaskan amazon with a union steelworker spouse. Obama, who styled himself an agent of change, took his image for granted, and attempted to ensure himself victory by doing the cautious thing. He is trapped in a losing position, and there is nothing he can do to get out of it.

Obama, in short, is long on brains and short on guts. A Shibboleth of American politics holds that different tactics are required to win the party primaries as opposed to the general election, that is, by pandering to fringe groups with disproportionate influence in the primaries. But Obama did not compromise himself with extreme positions. He did not have to, for younger voters who greeted him with near-religious fervor did not require that he take any position other than his promise to change everything. Obama could have allied with the old guard, through an Obama-Clinton ticket, or he could have rejected the old guard by choosing the closest thing the Democrats had to a Sarah Palin. But fear paralyzed him, and he did neither.

In my February 26 profile, I called Obama "the political equivalent of a sociopath", without any derogatory intent. A sociopath seeks the empathy of all around him while empathizing with no one. Obama has an almost magical ability to gain the confidence of those around him. Perhaps it was the adaptation of a bright and sensitive young boy who was abandoned by three parents - his Kenyan father Barack Obama Sr, who left his pregnant young bride; his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetero; and by his mother, Ann Dunham, who sent 10-year-old Obama to live with her parents while she pursued her career as an anthropologist.

Combine a child's response to serial abandonment with the perspective of an outsider, and Obama became an alien species against which American politics had no natural defenses. He is a Third World anthropologist profiling Americans, in but not of the American system. No country's politics depends more openly on friendships than America's, yet Obama has not a single real friend, for he rose so fast that all his acquaintances become rungs on the ladder of his ascent. One human relationship crowds the others out of his life, his marriage to Michelle, a strong, assertive and very angry woman.

If Novak's report is accurate, then Michelle's anger will have lost the election for Obama, as Achilles' anger nearly killed the Greek cause in the Trojan War. But the responsibility rests not with Michelle, but with Obama. Obama's failure of nerve at the cusp of his success is consistent with my profile of the candidate, in which I predicted that he would self-destruct. It's happening faster than I expected. As I wrote last February:

It is conceivable that Barack Obama, if elected, will destroy himself before he destroys the country. Hatred is a toxic diet even for someone with as strong a stomach as Obama … Both Obama and the American public should be very careful of what they wish for. As the horrible example of Obama's father shows, there is nothing worse for an embittered outsider manipulating the system from within than to achieve his goals.

By all rights, the Democrats should win this election. They will lose, I predict, because of the flawed character of their candidate.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JI03Aa02.html

[Apollon]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JI03Aa02.html

Un aigri fan d'Hillary.

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Un aigri fan d'Hillary.

Pas forcément. Il constate que, à part la couleur de sa peau et son jeune âge, Obama ne propose rien d'original. Mais Hillary non plus, finalement. Donc, ce pourrait être un réaliste qui constate que l'élection est sans doute gagnée pour McCain.

[Ronnie Hayek]

Un aigri fan d'Hillary.

Toni ?

[Rincevent]

Chez les Républicains, ça barde sec contre Obama. Toute une galaxie de site corrosifs. :icon_miam:

[h16]

Toni ?

Glandil ?

[Blueglasnost]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JI03Aa02.html

Puisse cet analyste avoir raison…

Un aigri fan d'Hillary.

Non, je ne crois pas, il m'a plutôt l'air d'avoir des penchants pour McCain qu'il qualifie de "non-conformiste" [maverick]

C'est vrai qu'augmenter les dépenses pour satisfaire ses électeurs, c'est pas du tout le genre des Républicains…

Je n'ai jamais prétendu cela, mais je pense que ce sera dans de plus faibles proportions s'il s'agit de McCain. Des maux choisir les moindres…

[Ronnie Hayek]

Je n'ai jamais prétendu cela, mais je pense que ce sera dans de plus faibles proportions s'il s'agit de McCain. Des maux choisir les moindres…

Comment fais-tu pour le savoir, alors que c'est une fois au pouvoir que le candidat élu montrera de quoi il est capable ?

Glandil ?

Le mahatma ?

[Blueglasnost]

Comment fais-tu pour le savoir, alors que c'est une fois au pouvoir que le candidat élu montrera de quoi il est capable ?

Entre un candidat au discours volontairement populiste qui s'insurge contre l'ALENA parce que c'est de bon ton et un qui n'hésite pas à aller à contre courant de ce préjugé commun, mon choix est tout fait… Après, je ne peux pas prévoir, comme tout le monde ici, de quoi demain sera fait, mais soutenir l'une de ces copies de nos socialos, non merci.

[Ronnie Hayek]

Entre un candidat au discours volontairement populiste qui s'insurge contre l'ALENA parce que c'est de bon ton et un qui n'hésite pas à aller à contre courant de ce préjugé commun, mon choix est tout fait… Après, je ne peux pas prévoir, comme tout le monde ici, de quoi demain sera fait, mais soutenir l'une de ces copies de nos socialos, non merci.

Un "préjugé commun" ? N'est-ce pas plutôt un poncif libéral (au sens large) que de voir dans l'ALENA une merveille qu'il serait inconvenant ("populiste", pour employer cet adjectif que tu empruntes à la presse bien-pensante qui l'emploie à des fins de diabolisation) de critiquer et a fortiori rejeter ?

[Blueglasnost]

Un "préjugé commun" ? N'est-ce pas plutôt un poncif libéral (au sens large) que de voir dans l'ALENA une merveille qu'il serait inconvenant ("populiste", pour employer cet adjectif que tu empruntes à la presse bien-pensante qui l'emploie à des fins de diabolisation) de critiquer et a fortiori rejeter ?

L'ALENA est probablement loin d'être une "merveille", mais elle est un pas fait en direction du libre-échange et les statistiques tendent à prouver qu'elle a bénéficié aux participants (mais elle est encore imparfaite, car s'accompagnant de subventions dans certains cas, je pense notamment aux subventions américaines sur le maïs destiné à l'exportation vers le Mexique). J'emploie "populiste" dans son sens originel; plaire au peuple, pas dans le sens médiatique qui sous-tend souvent "nationaliste", tu me diras, s'opposer au libre-échange découle d'une certaine vision qui peut traduire un parochialisme primaire… Quand au "préjugé commun", je maintiens qu'il est de bon ton de critiquer allègrement l'ALENA pour bien des Démocrates (en particulier, pas exclusivement). Donc, oui, je ne peux pas supporter ni Obama, ni McCain, mais je préfère ce dernier, car lui au moins a le courage de ses opinions (ALENA, guerre en Irak, santé…).

[Apollon]

Toni ?

On entend encore parler de lui ?

[Ronnie Hayek]

On entend encore parler de lui ?

Hélas oui.

[José]

Democrats must learn some respect

By Clive Crook

Published: September 7 2008 19:03 | Last updated: September 7 2008 19:03

This article is not the first to note the cultural contradiction in American liberalism, but just now the point bears restating. The election may turn on it.

Democrats speak up for the less prosperous; they have well-intentioned policies to help them; they are disturbed by inequality, and want to do something about it. Their concern is real and admirable. The trouble is, they lack respect for the objects of their solicitude. Their sympathy comes mixed with disdain, and even contempt.

Democrats regard their policies as self-evidently in the interests of the US working and middle classes. Yet those wide segments of US society keep helping to elect Republican presidents. How is one to account for this? Are those people idiots? Frankly, yes – or so many liberals are driven to conclude. Either that or bigots, clinging to guns, God and white supremacy; or else pathetic dupes, ever at the disposal of Republican strategists. If they only had the brains to vote in their interests, Democrats think, the party would never be out of power. But again and again, the Republicans tell their lies, and those stupid damned voters buy it.

It is an attitude that a good part of the US media share. The country has conservative media (Fox News, talk radio) as well as liberal media (most of the rest). Curiously, whereas the conservative media know they are conservative, much of the liberal media believe themselves to be neutral.

Their constant support for Democratic views has nothing to do with bias, in their minds, but reflects the fact that Democrats just happen to be right about everything. The result is the same: for much of the media, the fact that Republicans keep winning can only be due to the backwardness of much of the country.

Because it was so unexpected, Sarah Palin’s nomination for the vice-presidency jolted these attitudes to the surface. Ms Palin is a small-town American. It is said that she has only recently acquired a passport. Her husband is a fisherman and production worker. She represents a great slice of the country that the Democrats say they care about – yet her selection induced an apoplectic fit.

For days, the derision poured down from Democratic party talking heads and much of the media too. The idea that “this woman” might be vice-president or even president was literally incomprehensible. The popular liberal comedian Bill Maher, whose act is an endless sneer at the Republican party, noted that John McCain’s case for the presidency was that only he was capable of standing between the US and its enemies, but that should he die he had chosen “this stewardess” to take over. This joke was not – or not only – a complaint about lack of experience. It was also an expression of class disgust. I give Mr Maher credit for daring to say what many Democrats would only insinuate.

Little was known about Ms Palin, but it sufficed for her nomination to be regarded as a kind of insult. Even after her triumph at the Republican convention in St Paul last week, the put-downs continued. Yes, the delivery was all right, but the speech was written by somebody else – as though that is unusual, as though the speechwriter is not the junior partner in the preparation of a speech, and as though just anybody could have raised the roof with that text. Voters in small towns and suburbs, forever mocked and condescended to by metropolitan liberals, are attuned to this disdain. Every four years, many take their revenge.

The irony in 2008 is that the Democratic candidate, despite Republican claims to the contrary, is not an elitist. Barack Obama is an intellectual, but he remembers his history. He can and does connect with ordinary people. His courteous reaction to the Palin nomination was telling. Mrs Palin (and others) found it irresistible to skewer him in St Paul for “saying one thing about [working Americans] in Scranton, and another in San Francisco”. Mr Obama made a bad mistake when he talked about clinging to God and guns, but I am inclined to make allowances: he was speaking to his own political tribe in the native idiom.

The problem in my view is less Mr Obama and more the attitudes of the claque of official and unofficial supporters that surrounds him. The prevailing liberal mindset is what makes the criticisms of Mr Obama’s distance from working Americans stick.

If only the Democrats could contain their sense of entitlement to govern in a rational world, and their consequent distaste for wide swathes of the US electorate, they might gain the unshakeable grip on power they feel they deserve. Winning elections would certainly be easier – and Republicans would have to address themselves more seriously to economic insecurity. But the fathomless cultural complacency of the metropolitan liberal rules this out.

The attitude that expressed itself in response to the Palin nomination is the best weapon in the Republican armoury. Rely on the Democrats to keep it primed. You just have to laugh.

The Palin nomination could still misfire for Mr McCain, but the liberal reaction has made it a huge success so far. To avoid endlessly repeating this mistake, Democrats need to learn some respect.

It will be hard. They will have to develop some regard for the values that the middle of the country expresses when it votes Republican. Religion. Unembarrassed flag-waving patriotism. Freedom to succeed or fail through one’s own efforts. Refusal to be pitied, bossed around or talked down to. And all those other laughable redneck notions that made the United States what it is.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f1984d88-7cd5-11…?nclick_check=1

[José]

Échos de la convention démocrate :

Apart from the family feud, the convention was staged with impressive discipline. Speaker after speaker pounded the same message. America needs change. Mr McCain would be more of the same. Hard-working families are hurting. America needs universal health care, alternative energy and to bring the troops home from Iraq with honour. No detail was left to chance. An entrepreneur selling mints in tins with a Democratic donkey logo was barred from the convention because his tins were made in China.

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstate…ory_id=12010827

[TeNDRo.]

Deux jours aprèsla mort du 97^ème soldat canadien en Afghanistan, Barack H. Obama, qui n’a cessé de critiquer l’administration Bush pour ne pas s’être concentrée suffisamment sur Ben Laden et Al-Qaëda, projette d’augmenter de 7000 le nombre de troupes américaines sur ces terres. Cette annonce apparaît en accord avec la politique étrangère qu’il souhaite mener : un déplacement du conflit dans la guerre contre le terrorisme de l’Irak vers l’Afghanistan. Ceci étant dit, et bien qu’il planifie de ramener la majorité des troupes de combat d’Irak dans un délai de 16 mois, je n’ai pas noté une quelconque opposition de sa part à la construction de l’immense ambassade américaine à Baghdad. De plus, ces propos hasardeux sur un possible conflit avec l’Iran ne sont guère plus glorieux et représentent au final le danger que pourrait représenter un tel homme en tant que commandant en chef de l’armée américaine.

But the limited focus on Afghanistan, the one-time safe-haven for al-Qaida mastermind Osama bin Laden, and where Taliban militants are regaining strength, left the Republican president open to criticism that his focus in the so-called "war on terror" continues to be misplaced.

Obama has also proposed sending about 7,000 addition troops to Afghanistan to combat the Taliban and chase down bin Laden, who is believed to be hiding along the rugged border in neighboring Pakistan.

McCain, too, has said more troops are needed in Afghanistan, but has called for a smaller number. He also says U.S. forces should not be withdrawn from Iraq until conditions on the ground would dictate a departure. The particulars of those conditions, however, have not been defined.

http://www.timesleader.com/news/Obama_reje…plan_090908.htm

En définitive, la politique étrangère non-interventionniste que tenait Obama, qui se résumait jusqu’à récemment à ramener les troupes d’Irak et à isoler les Etats-Unis de futurs conflits, a laissé place à la même politique dangereuse que McCain.

Il est triste de constater que les paroles de la congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, selon lesquelles le candidat démocrate prévoyait de faire revenir aux Etats-Unis la totalité des soldats américains présents sur le sol étranger, se sont vite perdues dans ses multiples flip-flops.

Ce seul point positif qui le démarquait jusqu’à présent de McCain n’est plus, et les Américains auront finalement le choix entre :

- une liste électorale républicaine prônant le maintien d’une forte présence américaine en Irak

- une liste démocrate privilégiant la guerre dans les terres des talibans, certes plus petite (moins de soldats déployés), mais compensé financièrement par les multiples programmes sociaux prévus par le gourmand duo Obama-Biden.

Non, Ron Paul avait bien raison dans sa dernière interview sur CNN, il n’y a effectivement rien qui diffère sur le fond entre les deux principaux candidats.

Du côté républicain, deux vidéos illustrant Sarah Palin dans son église, la Wasilla Assembly of God, sont récemment apparues sur internet. Dans la première, elle avance que la guerre en Irak était une tâche confiée par Dieu tandis que dans l’autre, elle se contente de demander aux membres de l’église de le prier pour qu’il concrétise un projet de 30 milliards de dollars sur des lignes de gaz. Rien de bien étonnant de la part de celle qui a supporté le financement fédéral du fameux « bridge to nowhere » en 2006 lorsqu’elle n’était encore que gouverneuse.

The country has conservative media (Fox News…

Considérer ainsi la chaîne Fox News ne me semble pas tout à fait exact, voir injurieux pour les conservateurs. Quiconque ayant entendu Bill O’Reilly, Bill Kristol ou les interventions – fréquentes - d’Ann Coulter devrait me saisir sur ce point.

The popular liberal comedian Bill Maher

Bill Maher se considère comme libertarien, néanmoins et même si il a questionné à plusieurs reprises les positions d’Obama, il est clair qu’il penche à gauche, en témoigne ses critiques exclusivement tournées vers les républicains, Dieu et les habitants des Etats rouges ainsi que ses positions d’athéiste intolérant.

[Luciole]

Quels sont les états "rouges" justement ?

[José]

Brother Obama is watching you :

http://www.slublog.com/archives/2008/09/what_the_heck_i.html

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

La réponse d'Obama à la blague de Palin sur les "hockey-moms"? Raconter des cochonneries:

C'est ce que l'on appelle un truie-isme.

[José]

Top Clinton fundraiser backs McCain over Obama

By ANN SANNER, Associated Press Writer

Wed Sep 17, 7:58 PM ET

WASHINGTON - A top Hillary Rodham Clinton fundraiser threw her support behind Republican John McCain on Wednesday, saying he will lead the country in a centrist fashion and accusing the Democrats of becoming too extreme.

"I believe that Barack Obama, with MoveOn.org and Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean, has taken the Democratic Party — and they will continue to — too far to the left," Lynn Forester de Rothschild said. "I'm not comfortable there."

Rothschild is also a member of the Democratic National Committee's Platform Committee. She said she would be stepping down from her position on the committee but will not switch political parties.

Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand said in an e-mail that the New York senator disagrees with Rothschild's decision to endorse McCain.

"Senator Clinton has been criss-crossing the country and doing whatever she can to make the very clear case that the Obama-Biden ticket represents the new ideas and positive change we need right now, and the McCain-Palin ticket does not," Strand said in the e-mail.

Rothschild said she was excited by the prospect of a woman being in the White House, even though she and Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin disagree on issues. The Alaska governor opposes abortion except in the case of a threat to the mother's life. Rothschild said she supports abortion rights.

"I believe that the McCain-Palin government will be a centrist government," Rothschild said. "It's not going to be an ideological government."

Rothschild is a member of the DNC's Democrats Abroad chapter and splits her time living in London and New York. She was one of Clinton's top fundraisers, bringing in more than $100,000 for her presidential campaign. She built a multimillion-dollar telecommunications company before marrying international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild.

Rothschild said she has not discussed her support for McCain with Clinton.

"I'm sure she is not pleased with what I'm doing today," she said. "But you know what? I have to do what I believe in."

http://news.yahoo.com/s//ap/20080917/ap_on…_clinton_backer

[LeSanton]

Quand je revois l'histoire de la grande dépression de 29 et le New Deal, je ne peux m'empêcher de penser, sondages à l'appui, qu'Obama, progressiste et réformiste affiché, marche dans les pas de Franklin D. Rosevelt. On sait ce qu'il advint de ses grandes réformes interventionnistes: seule l'économie de guerre sortit le pays de la dépression.

[Stephdumas]

Quand je revois l'histoire de la grande dépression de 29 et le New Deal, je ne peux m'empêcher de penser, sondages à l'appui, qu'Obama, progressiste et réformiste affiché, marche dans les pas de Franklin D. Rosevelt. On sait ce qu'il advint de ses grandes réformes interventionnistes: seule l'économie de guerre sortit le pays de la dépression.

Malheureusement bien des québécois ont un faible pour Obama…….. d'après ce que j'ai vu sur un autre forum http://forum.autonet.ca/Messages/xhs/3255.html

[LeSanton]

Remarquez, ce ne sont qu' opinions d'amateurs de bagnoles, hein…