Comment j'ai appris à ne plus m'en faire et à aimer la bombe

[Adrian]

 

U.S. Cold War Nuclear Target Lists Declassified for First Time According to 1956 Plan, H-Bombs were to be Used Against Priority “Air Power” Targets in the Soviet Union, China, and Eastern Europe Major Cities in Soviet Bloc, Including East Berlin, Were High Priorities in “Systematic Destruction” for Atomic Bombings Plans to Target People (“Population”) Violated International Legal Norms SAC Wanted a 60 Megaton Bomb, Equivalent to over 4,000 Hiroshima Atomic Weapons

Washington, D.C., December 22, 2015 - The SAC [strategic Air Command] Atomic Weapons Requirements Study for 1959, produced in June 1956 and published today for the first time by the National Security Archive www.nsarchive.org, provides the most comprehensive and detailed list of nuclear targets and target systems that has ever been declassified. As far as can be told, no comparable document has ever been declassified for any period of Cold War history.

The SAC study includes chilling details. According to its authors,  their target priorities and nuclear bombing tactics would expose nearby civilians and “friendly forces and people” to high levels of deadly radioactive fallout.  Moreover, the authors developed a plan for the “systematic destruction” of Soviet bloc urban-industrial targets that specifically and explicitly targeted “population” in all cities, including Beijing, Moscow, Leningrad, East Berlin, and Warsaw.  Purposefully targeting civilian populations as such directly conflicted with the international norms of the day, which prohibited attacks on people per se (as opposed to military installations with civilians nearby).

The National Security Archive, based at The George Washington University, obtained the study, totaling more than 800 pages, through the Mandatory Declassification Review (MDR) process (see sidebar). 

The SAC document includes lists of more than 1100 airfields in the Soviet bloc, with a priority number assigned to each base.  With the Soviet bomber force as the highest priority for nuclear targeting (this was before the age of ICBMs), SAC assigned priority one and two to Bykhov and Orsha airfields, both located in Belorussia. At both bases, the Soviet Air Force deployed medium-range Badger (TU-16) bombers, which would have posed a threat to NATO allies and U.S. forces in Western Europe.  

A second list was of urban-industrial areas identified for “systematic destruction.”  SAC listed over 1200 cities in the Soviet bloc, from East Germany to China, also with priorities established.  Moscow and Leningrad were priority one and two respectively.  Moscow included 179 Designated Ground Zeros (DGZs) while Leningrad had 145, including “population” targets.  In both cities, SAC identified air power installations, such as Soviet Air Force command centers, which it would have devastated with thermonuclear weapons early in the war.

According to the study, SAC would have targeted Air Power targets with bombs ranging from 1.7 to 9 megatons.  Exploding them at ground level, as planned, would have produced significant fallout hazards to nearby civilians.  SAC also wanted a 60 megaton weapon which it believed necessary for deterrence, but also because it would produce “significant results” in the event of a Soviet surprise attack. One megaton would be 70 times the explosive yield of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb538-Cold-War-Nuclear-Target-List-Declassified-First-Ever/

 

[Alchimi]

Ah bah la stratégie M.A.D dans toute sa gloire quoi...Le plan de frappe ne devait pas être tellement meilleur cotè URSS.

A noter que ce sont les plans de frappe pré-ICBM, donc effectués par bombardiers stratégique (ceux du film de Kubrick, justement)... bien que je suppose que l'arrivée des missiles stratégiques dans l'arsenal n'as pas du changer masse aux désignation des cibles.

 

Bref, mieux vaut le monde moderne que celui de la guerre froide, quand même.

[Adrian]

De nos jours, les bombes sont encore plus puissantes...

 

La Tsar bomba sur Paris

 

[PABerryer]

Le version testée ou théorique ?

[Alchimi]

La tsar bomba à bel et bien explosée. Les cercles sur la photo sont les cercles de l'explosion historique reportés sur une photo de Paris à titre de demo.

Et cette bombe restait plus une démonstration de puissance de mega tonnage qu'autre chose. La plupart des têtes actuelles, (post guerre froide), doivent être de nature plus tactiques, IE plus faibles, pour la plupart, à par un noyau dur de missiles stratégiques à forte puissances. Enfin faudrait vérifier les estimations, mais le stock à tout de même baissé depuis 89

[Johnnieboy]

Les Hommes sont quand même un peu fous.

[Elphyr]

Et théoriquement la tsar bomba est largement dépassée non ?

[Nihiliste frustré]

La Tsar Bomba envoie la plupart de son énergie dans l'espace, les rendements sont fortement décroissant : mieux vaut plusieurs petites têtes frappant à quelques km / dizaines de km d'espacement.

Un missile stratégique moderne contient une bonne dizaine de têtes nucléaires pouvant être concentrées sur une cible ou réparties sur plusieurs (plus ou moins proches, je n'en sais rien mais vu que le bordel part en orbite basse, je suppose qu'on doit pouvoir striker Paris et Pekin en un seul tir).

[Alchimi]

Comme le dit Nihiliste, mieux vaut plusieurs petites ogives qu'une seule trop puissante.

Donc la tsar Bomba reste la plus puissante ayant explosé, et encore, elle était bridée à 50 Mt au lieu d'atteindre les 100 Mt qui étaient son tonnage programmé -parce qu'ils voulaient conserver les miroirs intacts à Moscou, d'après le mot de Kroutchev (en réalité d'après le souhait du physicien Sakharov, qui voulait réduire les retombées radioactives).

[Brock]

Efficace comme un bombardement...

[Mathieu_D]

Les têtes françaises à 100ktnt sont plus efficaces. (Il faut visualiser plusieurs cercles au lieu d'un gros sur la carte.)

[Rincevent]

De nos jours, les bombes sont encore plus puissantes...

La Tsar bomba sur Paris

En fait, et comme l'ont laissé entendre plusieurs forumeurs, non. Les têtes nucléaires aujourd'hui sont moins puissantes, car plus précises (ou plus nombreuses quand elles sont groupées).

[Freezbee]

Les Hommes sont quand même un peu fous.

 

Ne t'en fais pas, ils gardent le nord :

 

Had “Sports Illustrated” existed in 1900, its swimsuit issue would not have been especially titillating. Back then, the standard lady’s swimsuit wasn’t much different than her everyday clothes. It was basically a dress, plus a hat and even shoes.

 

By World War II, with fabric in short supply, slightly more revealing two-piece numbers were considered okay. But even they didn’t expose anything so scandalous as a — gasp! — Belly button.

 

But post-war? A couple of Frenchmen sensed the world was ready to loosen up. The first of them — one Jacques Heim — designed a two-piece so tiny he called it “l’atome.” The Atom.

 

But Heim was one-upped by his countryman, Louis Reard. On July 5th, 1946, he unveiled an even tinier suit: “The Bikini.” Named after a Pacific island atoll where, four days earlier, an atomic bomb had been tested. Reard claimed he had “split The Atom.”

 

Public reactions were … extreme. Reard got 50,000 fan letters thanking him for the invention. Mostly from men. But in some countries, shocked lawmakers instated bikini bans. Reard happily embraced the controversy.

 

In ads, he said bikinis were small enough to be "pulled through a wedding ring."

 

Soon, the anti-bikini lobby collapsed as the suit became popular on beaches all over Europe and finally — in 1960 — in the U.S.A.  The same year singer Brian Hyland scored a number-one hit about a girl too embarrassed to be seen in one.

 

[Loi]

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

 

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