Santé & nutrition, que manger ?

[Brock]

moi je parie que c'est la faute des bulles

[jamkan]

8 l de coca par jour et 30 clopes ne font pas bon ménage : http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/monde/20130213.OBS8731/le-coca-suspecte-d-avoir-un-lien-avec-la-mort-d-une-femme.html

 

C'est pas vrai !? 

 

Je croyais qu'on mourrait avec autant de flotte.

[Jesrad]

À propos, quelqu'un sait si ça a un intérêt quelconque l'huile et le beurre de chanvre ?

S'oxyde excessivement facilement (donc tu la recevras déjà rance), très peu de graisses saturées, peu de DHA dans les omega-3. Peu d'intérêt même si cette huile est extraite à froid (ce qui n'est pas forcément le cas).

[Poil à gratter]

8 l de coca par jour et 30 clopes ne font pas bon ménage : http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/monde/20130213.OBS8731/le-coca-suspecte-d-avoir-un-lien-avec-la-mort-d-une-femme.html

Ha je me souviens de cette histoire, on en a déjà parlé ici. Mais y'a franchement pas grand chose à en dire...

 

S'oxyde excessivement facilement (donc tu la recevras déjà rance), très peu de graisses saturées, peu de DHA dans les omega-3. Peu d'intérêt même si cette huile est extraite à froid (ce qui n'est pas forcément le cas).

Hmm ok merci. Bon en gros, c'est un truc pour le fun, plus pour les touristes qu'autre chose  

[Mathieu_D]

Je croyais qu'on mourrait avec autant de flotte.

Faut un peu d'entraînement pour 8 L de bière mais ça passe. Alors de la flotte, huhuhuh.

[Johnnieboy]

Ouais, 5L de bière, je le fais sans échauffement. Suffit d'évacuer souvent.

[Mathieu_D]

Ouais, 5L de bière, je le fais sans échauffement. Suffit d'évacuer souvent.

 

Puisqu'on est sur le fil de la médecine, j'ai constaté des changement en moi en vieillissant.

 

Au lycée c'était réglé comme d papier à musique: un baron (50 cl), une demi-heure, une vidange.

Maintenant je suis des fois au litre et demi avant d'aller évacuer. C'est gênant parce qu'à des moments, je dois attendre la vidange avant de reconsommer. 

 

Dur la vie.

[Johnnieboy]

Puisqu'on est sur le fil de la médecine, j'ai constaté des changement en moi en vieillissant.

 

Au lycée c'était réglé comme d papier à musique: un baron (50 cl), une demi-heure, une vidange.

Maintenant je suis des fois au litre et demi avant d'aller évacuer. C'est gênant parce qu'à des moments, je dois attendre la vidange avant de reconsommer. 

 

Dur la vie.

 

Hmm, pour ma part, je n'y vais pas avant le premier litre et demi puis après j'y vais toutes les pintes. Par contre, c'est quand je bois beaucoup de bière que je me dis que j'aimerais bien être gros. Puisque vu que je fais à peine 70 kilos, lorsque j'en prends 2 ou 3 de plus dans la soirée, je me sens ballonné.

[Barem]

Si tu passes commande sur ce site (américain), entre ce code: EYO806

Ça te fera faire quelques économies sur ta première commande (et ça m'arrangera aussi ^^)

http://rewards.iherb.com/

 

Attention, pour éviter la douane ne pas dépasser les 80$ et 1,8 kg de marchandises.

Si tu restes dans les trucs qui se mangent, ils déclarent le colis en "compléments alimentaire pour utilisation personnelle" et ça passe normalement comme une lettre à la poste (j'ai une vingtaines de commandes à mon actif, toutes reçues sans prob; mais pas de suivi  de colis ni de remboursement en cas de perte).

 

Entendu kevin

[ShoTo]

Tiens, le Nouvel Obs fait sa une sur le cholestérol, j'y jetterais un œil.

 

 

Si tu passes commande sur ce site (américain), entre ce code: EYO806

Ça te fera faire quelques économies sur ta première commande (et ça m'arrangera aussi ^^)

http://rewards.iherb.com/

 

Attention, pour éviter la douane ne pas dépasser les 80$ et 1,8 kg de marchandises.

Si tu restes dans les trucs qui se mangent, ils déclarent le colis en "compléments alimentaire pour utilisation personnelle" et ça passe normalement comme une lettre à la poste (j'ai une vingtaines de commandes à mon actif, toutes reçues sans prob; mais pas de suivi  de colis ni de remboursement en cas de perte).

 

Effectivement, c'est hallucinant comme les prix sont bas sur ce site. J'y achète mes vitamines et je suis content que ces produits soient interdits en France, ça m'aurait couté beaucoup plus cher de me les faire livrer par Amazon.

[Brock]

je me sens ballonné.

 

 

[Nirvana]

Top 11 Biggest Lies of Mainstream Nutrition

 

There is a lot of misinformation circling around in mainstream nutrition. I have listed the worst examples in this article, but unfortunately this is just the tip of the iceberg. Here are the top 11 biggest lies, myths and misconceptions of mainstream nutrition.

 

1. Eggs Are Unhealthy

 

There’s one thing that nutrition professionals have had remarkable success with… and that is demonizing incredibly healthy foods. The worst example of that is eggs, which happen to contain a large amount of cholesterol and were therefore considered to increase the risk of heart disease. But recently it has been proven that the cholesterol in the diet doesn’t really raise the cholesterol in blood. In fact, eggs primarily raise the “good” cholesterol and are NOT associated with increased risk of heart disease (1, 2). What we’re left with is one of the most nutritious foods on the planet. They’re high in all sorts of nutrients along with unique antioxidants that protect our eyes (3). To top it all of, despite being a “high fat” food, eating eggs for breakfast is proven to cause significant weight loss compared to bagels for breakfast (4, 5).

Bottom Line:

Eggs do not cause heart disease and are among the most nutritious foods on the planet. Eggs for breakfast can help you lose weight.

 

2. Saturated Fat is Bad For You

 

A few decades ago it was decided that the epidemic of heart disease was caused by eating too much fat, in particular saturated fat. This was based on highly flawed studies and political decisions that have now been proven to be completely wrong. A massive review article published in 2010 looked at 21 prospective epidemiological studies with a total of 347.747 subjects. Their results: absolutely no association between saturated fat and heart disease (6). The idea that saturated fat raised the risk of heart disease was an unproven theory that somehow became conventional wisdom (7). Eating saturated fat raises the amount of HDL (the “good”) cholesterol in the blood and changes the LDL from small, dense LDL (very bad) to Large LDL, which is benign (8, 9). Meat, coconut oil, cheese, butter… there is absolutely no reason to fear these foods.

Bottom Line:

Newer studies have proven that saturated fat does not cause heart disease. Natural foods that are high in saturated fat are good for you.

 

3. Everybody Should be Eating Grains

 

The idea that humans should be basing their diets on grains has never made sense to me. The agricultural revolution happened fairly recently in human evolutionary history and our genes haven’t changed that much. Grains are fairly low in nutrients compared to other real foods like vegetables. They are also rich in a substance called phytic acid which binds essential minerals in the intestine and prevents them from being absorbed (10). The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat… and wheat can cause a host of health problems, both minor and serious. Modern wheat contains a large amount of a protein called gluten, but there is evidence that a significant portion of the population may be sensitive to it (11, 12, 13). Eating gluten can damage the intestinal lining, cause pain, bloating, stool inconsistency and tiredness (14, 15). Gluten consumption has also been associated with schizophrenia and cerebellar ataxia, both serious disorders of the brain (16, 17).

Bottom Line:

Grains are relatively low in nutrients compared to other real foods like vegetables. The gluten grains in particular may lead to a variety of health problems.

 

4. Eating a Lot of Protein is Bad For Your Bones and Kidneys

 

A high protein diet has been claimed to cause both osteoporosis and kidney disease. It is true that eating protein increases calcium excretion from the bones in the short term, but the long term studies actually show the opposite effect. In the long term, protein has a strong association with improved bone health and a lower risk of fracture (18, 19). Additionally, studies don’t show any association of high protein with kidney disease in otherwise healthy people (20, 21). In fact, two of the main risk factors for kidney failure are diabetes and high blood pressure. Eating a high protein diet improves both (22, 23). If anything, a high protein diet should be protective against osteoporosis and kidney failure!

Bottom Line:

Eating a high protein diet is associated with improved bone health and a lower risk of fracture. High protein also lowers blood pressure and improves diabetes symptoms, which should lower the risk of kidney failure.

 

5. Low-Fat Foods Are Good For You

 

Do you know what regular food tastes like when all the fat has been taken out of it? Well, it tastes like cardboard. No one would want to eat it. The food manufacturers know this and therefore they add other things to compensate for the lack of fat. Usually these are sweeteners… sugar, high fructose corn syrup or artificial sweeteners like aspartame. We’ll get to the sugar in a moment, but I’d like to point out that even though artificial sweeteners don’t have calories, the evidence does NOT suggest that they are better for you than sugar. In fact, many observational studies show a consistent, highly significant association with various diseases like obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, premature delivery and depression (24, 25, 26). In these low-fat products, healthy natural fats are being replaced with substances that are extremely harmful.

Bottom Line:

Low-fat foods are usually highly processed products loaded with sugar, corn syrup or artificial sweeteners. They are extremely unhealthy.

 

6. You Should Eat Many Small Meals Throughout The Day

 

The idea that you should eat many small meals throughout the day in order to “keep metabolism high” is a persistent myth that doesn’t make any sense. It is true that eating raises your metabolism slightly while you’re digesting the meal, but it’s the total amount of food that determines the energy used, NOT the number of meals. This has actually been put to the test and refuted multiple times. Controlled studies where one group eats many small meals and the other the same amount of food in fewer meals show that there is literally no difference between the two (27, 28). In fact, one study in obese men revealed that eating 6 meals per day led to less feelings of fullness compared to 3 meals (29). Not only is eating so often practically useless for most of the people out there, it may even be harmful. It is not natural for the human body to be constantly in the fed state. In nature, we used to fast from time to time and we didn’t eat nearly as often as we do today. When we don’t eat for a while, a cellular process called autophagy cleans waste products out of our cells (30). Fasting or not eating from time to time is good for you. Several observational studies show a drastically increased risk of colon cancer (4th most common cause of cancer death), numbers going as high as a 90% increase for those who eat 4 meals per day compared to 2 (31, 32, 33).

Bottom Line:

There is no evidence that eating many small meals throughout the day is better than fewer, bigger meals. Not eating from time to time is good for you. Increased meal frequency is associated with colon cancer.

 

7. Carbs Should Be Your Biggest Source of Calories

 

The mainstream view is that everyone should eat a low-fat diet, with carbs being around 50-60% of total calories. This sort of diet contains a lot of grains and sugars, with very small amounts of fatty foods like meat and eggs. This type of diet may work well for some people, especially those who are naturally lean. But for those who are obese, have the metabolic syndrome or diabetes, this amount of carbohydrates is downright dangerous. This has actually been studied extensively. A low-fat, high-carb diet has been compared to a low-carb, high-fat diet in multiple randomized controlled trials. The results are consistently in favor of low-carb, high-fat diets (34, 35, 36).

Bottom Line:

The low-fat, high-carb diet is a miserable failure and has been proven repeatedly to be vastly inferior to lower-carb, higher-fat diets.

 

8. High Omega-6 Seed and Vegetable Oils Are Good For You

 

Polyunsaturated fats are considered healthy because some studies show that they lower your risk of heart disease. But there are many types of polyunsaturated fats and they are not all the same. Most importantly, we have both Omega-3 fatty acids and Omega-6 fatty acids. Omega-3s are anti-inflammatory and lower your risk of many diseases related to inflammation (37). Humans actually need to get Omega-6s and Omega-3s in a certain ratio. If the ratio is too high in favor of Omega-6, it can cause problems (38). By far the biggest sources of Omega-6 in the modern diet are processed seed and vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower oils. Throughout evolution, humans never had access to such an abundance of Omega-6 fats. It is unnatural for the human body. Research that specifically looks at Omega-6 fatty acids instead of polyunsaturated fats in general shows that they actually increase the risk of heart disease (39, 40). Eat your Omega-3s and consider supplementing with cod fish liver oil, but avoid the industrial seed and vegetable oils.

Bottom Line:

Humans need to get Omega-6 and Omega-3 fats in a certain ratio. Eating excess Omega-6 from seed oils raises your risk of disease.

 

9. Low Carb Diets Are Dangerous

 

I personally believe low-carb diets to be a potential cure for many of the most common health problems in western nations. The low-fat diet peddled all around the world is fairly useless against many of these diseases. It simply does not work. However, low-carb diets (demonized by nutritionists and the media) have repeatedly been shown to lead to much better outcomes. Every randomized controlled trial on low-carb diets shows that they:

1. Reduce body fat more than calorie-restricted low-fat diets, even though the low-carb dieters are allowed to eat as much as they want (41, 42).
2. Lower blood pressure significantly (43, 44).
3. Lower blood sugar and improve symptoms of diabetes much more than low-fat diets (45, 46, 47, 48).
4. Increase HDL (the good) cholesterol much more (49, 50).
5. Lower triglycerides much more than low-fat diets (51, 52, 53).
6. Change the pattern of LDL (bad) cholesterol from small, dense (very bad) to Large LDL, which is benign (54, 55).
7. Low carb diets are also easier to stick to, probably because they don’t require you to restrict calories and be hungry all the time. More people in the low-carb groups make it to the end of the studies (56, 57).

Many of the health professionals that are supposed to have our best interest in mind have the audacity to claim that these diets are dangerous, then continue to peddle their failed low-fat dogma that is hurting more people than it helps.

Bottom Line:

Low-carb diets are the healthiest, easiest and most effective way to lose weight and reverse metabolic disease. It is a scientific fact.

 

10. Sugar is Unhealthy Because it Contains “Empty” Calories

 

It is commonly believed that sugar is bad for you because it contains empty calories. It’s true, sugar has a lot of calories with no essential nutrients. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. Sugar, primarily because of its high fructose content, affects metabolism in a way that sets us up for rapid fat gain and metabolic disease. Fructose gets metabolized by the liver and turned into fat which is secreted into the blood as VLDL particles. This leads to elevated triglycerides and cholesterol (58, 59). It also causes resistance to the hormones insulin and leptin, which is a stepping stone towards obesity, metabolic syndrome and diabetes (60, 61). This is just to name a few. Sugar causes a relentless biochemical drive for humans to eat more and get fat. It is probably the single worst ingredient in the standard western diet.

Bottom Line:

The harmful effects of sugar go way beyond empty calories. Sugar wreaks havoc on our metabolism and sets us up for weight gain and many serious diseases.

 

11. High Fat Foods Will Make You Fat

 

It seems kind of intuitive that eating fat would make you get fat. The stuff that is gathering under our skin and making us look soft and puffy is fat. So… eating fat should give our bodies even more of it. But it isn’t that simple. Despite fat having more calories per gram than carbohydrate or protein, high-fat diets do not make people fat. As with anything, this depends on the context. A diet that is high in fat AND high in carbs will make you fat, but it’s NOT because of the fat. In fact, diets that are high in fat (and low in carbs) cause much greater fat loss than diets that are low in fat (62, 63, 64).

http://authoritynutrition.com/11-biggest-lies-of-mainstream-nutrition/

[pankkake]

Joli petit article à partager.

Pour le 6) j'ajouterai que c'est mauvais pour les dents.

[pankkake]

http://www.fightaging.org/archives/2013/02/dietary-fatty-acids-and-autophagy.php

Here researchers find that the marginal benefits resulting from the inclusion of omega fatty acids in the diet may also result from increased autophagy

[Nick de Cusa]

La médecine mainstream semble ouvrir les yeux sur un lien glucides, obésité, cancer.

 

http://www.dailyrx.com/breast-cancer-development-may-be-linked-metabolism-protein

[Jesrad]

Par curiosité, combien ici à part moi participent à l'étude de cohorte Nutrinet ? La participation ne demande pas beaucoup d'efforts, et ils manquent de sujets masculins.

[Tramp]

C'est rémunéré ?

[Jesrad]

Non, enfin tu peux avoir un examen clinique complet. C'est très bien fait, tout passe par le site web, super-facile.

[Tramp]

D'accord, je vais regarder cela. Surtout que ce n'est pas le temps libre qui me manque.

[Barem]

Par curiosité, combien ici à part moi participent à l'étude de cohorte Nutrinet ? La participation ne demande pas beaucoup d'efforts, et ils manquent de sujets masculins.

 

+1

[Barem]

J'en connais un qui va encore pester : http://www7.inra.fr/nacre/prevention_primaire/recommandations

[Johnnieboy]

D'accord, je vais regarder cela. Surtout que ce n'est pas le temps libre qui me manque.

 

C'est toi qui es en Finlande, non ? Bordel, attaque les biches nordiques !

[ShoTo]

Il me semble que c'est lui qui cherchait un emploi, du coup "souris de laboratoire" pourrait lui convenir.

 

Sinon, si l'on peut avoir un examen clinique, c'est à dire une prise de sang ? Je n'arrive pas à trouver l'info sur le site.

[Jesrad]

C'est dans la présentation de l'étude, ici:

les Nutrinautes pourront également participer, sur une base optionnelle, au volet clinique et biologique de l’étude, grâce à une consultation, organisée par notre équipe de recherche, dans une trentaine de centres répartis dans toute la France et comprenant un bilan clinique et biologique. L'objectif principal de cette consultation optionnelle est de pouvoir compléter les données obtenues dans les questionnaires Internet par un recueil d'échantillons biologiques et de données cliniques. Ces informations représenteront des ressources supplémentaires exceptionnelles pour permettre aux chercheurs de mieux connaître les mécanismes expliquant le rôle des facteurs nutritionnels dans la survenue de maladies.

[Tramp]

C'est toi qui es en Finlande, non ? Bordel, attaque les biches nordiques !

 

J'y travaille mais cela ne parvient tout de même pas à occuper entièrement mes journées. C'est le genre de gibier qui ne sort qu'une fois la Lune haute dans le ciel.

[Tramp]

Il me semble que c'est lui qui cherchait un emploi, du coup "souris de laboratoire" pourrait lui convenir.

 

Sinon, si l'on peut avoir un examen clinique, c'est à dire une prise de sang ? Je n'arrive pas à trouver l'info sur le site.

 

Non ce n'est pas moi. Mais c'est vrai que cela rapporte. À Montréal j'en avais vu rémunérés à plus de 1400 dollars. Mais faut accepter de se faire faire 40 prises de sang en 2 jours....

[Barem]

Allez demain on éduque citoyennement les français à faire leur popotte : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kZqmw36qBi8

[NicolasB]

Par curiosité, combien ici à part moi participent à l'étude de cohorte Nutrinet ? La participation ne demande pas beaucoup d'efforts, et ils manquent de sujets masculins.

 

Je me suis inscrit aujourd'hui. Je dois avouer que ce qui m'intéresse c'est d'avoir des analyses biologiques un peu plus poussées.

Modifié 16 février 2013 par NicolasB

[POE]

Je me suis inscrit aujourd'hui. Je dois avouer que ce qui m'intéresse c'est d'avoir des analyses biologiques un peu plus poussées.

 

Pourquoi ? Quelles analyses biologiques plus poussées proposent ils ?

[NicolasB]

En fait je voulais dire les analyses dont Jesrad a parlé.