Type de personnalité MBTI des libéraux

[Gio]

J'adore ces trucs :

 

 

 

[Malky]

J'adore ces trucs :

 

Mouarf sur un autre site j'avais vu Aristote classé en INTP

[Gio]

Oui il y a des variations parfois, c'est normal.

 

Sinon j'ai posté ce test sur un autre forum, et l'une des réactions était comique :

Ce genre de tests propose souvent des réponses qui laissent rarement de l'ambiguïté ,pourtant idéale pour cerner la personnalité des testeurs. La plupart des questions étaient du type "vous donnez spontanément 5 cents à un SDF dans la rue ou vous attendez une danse du ventre de sa part ?" OUI , NON . 

Avec des questions comme ça à moins d'être reaganien de la première heure tu vas exploser tes scores en Compassion ou Altruisme ou que sais je encore ...

 

[Nirvana]

ISTP: Cat

 

 

 

ISTPs are an interesting study in contrasts: they are naturally quiet and analytic, often drawn to the field of engineering or trying to figure out how boxes work. But they are also explorers who can easily become bored with a single routin. ISTPs are often closet daredevils drawn to racing, bungee jumping, or jumping off of high countertops. They are “live and let live” types who are not particularly concerned with rules or regulations and would prefer that others not concern themselves with their behavior either. Some have even remarked that “don’t tread on me” is the perfect ISTP motto.

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/whats-your-animal-personality-type

 

 

[Mirisme]

C'est quand même pourri comme test de personnalité le MBTI. Quitte à savoir le type de personnalité des libéraux je pense que cette étude le fait assez correctement: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0042366

[Tramp]

Nonossage requis.

[Lancelot]

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0042366

Parlons-en :

Compared to self-identified liberals and conservatives, libertarians showed 1) stronger endorsement of individual liberty as their foremost guiding principle, and weaker endorsement of all other moral principles; 2) a relatively cerebral as opposed to emotional cognitive style; and 3) lower interdependence and social relatedness.

Donc on apprend avec stupeur que les libertariens autoproclamés, par rapport aux gauchistes et aux conservateurs autoproclamés, accordent une plus grande valeur à la liberté individuelle en tant que principe moral.

On apprend également qu'ils tendent à être des geeks, quoique la méthodologie utilisée (questionnaire en ligne) puisse introduire un biais à ce sujet.

Ensuite pour savoir si ce sont ces caractéristiques qui font que les gens deviennent libertariens ou si les libertariens ont tendance à les privilégier a posteriori, c'est encore l'histoire de l'oeuf et de la poule.

[Lancelot]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/whats-your-animal-personality-type

INTJ: Octopus

Good enough.

[Mirisme]

Si c'était un effet de méthode, il se retrouverai sur les trois groupes. Il y a d'autres dimensions mesurée que le fait que les libéraux aiment la liberté. Ah et faire une étude experimentale paraît assez acrobatique.

[the_student]

INTJ

[Lancelot]

Dick Moves Commonly Made By The 16 Types:

• ESTJ: Will not give a damn how you might be doing or what your priorities are; if you're not measuring up by their standards it's simply because you are deliberately trying to piss them off.
• ESFJ: Will throw a shit fit about how you are tearing whatever group apart if you request even the slightest bit of independence.
• ISTJ: Will act wastefully alarmist every time you try to do something new and different, and probably insult you for it, too.
• ISFJ: Will become a totally whiny sad-sack if you don't pay them the attention they think they have earned.
• ENTJ: Will openly mock you in conversations, also while probably not letting you get a word in edgewise.
• ENTP: Will play shitty devils-advocate games over every issue imaginable.
• INTJ: Will blow you off to work; whatever their definition of work may be at that time.
• INTP: Will forget half the things you tell them and make you feel completely insignificant.
• ENFJ: Will treat you like a project rather than just being your friend.
• ENFP: Will forget that you are friends if you fail to keep daily contact with them.
• INFJ: Will compensate for their complexes about feeling insignificant and misunderstood by dominating conversations.
• INFP: Will sanctimoniously defend and try to make you empathize with your worst enemies.
• ESTP: Will make a wide array of promises they have no intent on keeping.
• ESFP: Will interrupt you to inquire urgently about random sights/sounds/smells.
• ISTP: Will go way too far with sarcastic remarks.
• ISFP: Will oversimplify everything and tease you if you don't.

 

[the_student]

• ISTJ: Will act wastefully alarmist every time you try to do something new and different, and probably insult you for it, too.

des écologistes 

 

sinon, pour la photo, en effet j'ai ce regard.

 

[sans]

ENTP: Will play shitty devils-advocate games over every issue imaginable

 

Totalement ça ! 

 

[Tramp]

 

 

Bref, les seuls personnes saines sont les ISTP.

[Brock]

+1

l'humanite ce sont les istp qui progressent et les autres autour qui parlent

[Mathieu_D]

Vous faites peur les minettes.

[Nirvana]

+1

l'humanite ce sont les istp qui progressent et les autres autour qui parlent

 

Pas mieux

[sans]

Nenni, le monde c'est 96% du monde qui fais comme tout le monde, et de temps un autre un ENTP qui réalise une invention suffisamment non-foireuse pour qu'elle soit imitée par tous, de là vient le progrès. Et parfois l'innovation est foireuse mais elle marche quand même. Life is life.

 

 

[Lancelot]

Le progrès c'est ce qui arrive quand on prend en compte l'avis des INTJ, ce qui arrive dans deux cas de figures :

• On bosse avec des NT (de préférence INTJ) et on peut donc tenter des explications.
• On a la confiance totale du "chef" (hors d'une institution c'est le E qui a la plus grande gueule) et il s'occupe d'arrondir les angles.

Autant dire que c'est pas gagné.

 

[Rincevent]

Nan. Le progrès, c'est ce qui arrive quand on prend en compte l'avis des INTJ qui ont écouté ce que racontaient des INTP.

[Malky]

Nan. Le progrès, c'est ce qui arrive quand on prend en compte l'avis des INTJ qui ont écouté ce que racontaient des INTP.

 

Voilà

[Sloonz]

« Le progrès c’est quand le monde se range à mon avis » ?

[Tramp]

On ne peut pas discuter avec un NT. Je préfère encore les xF

[Lancelot]

On ne peut pas discuter avec un NT. Je préfère encore les xF

Dit-il sur un forum avec 75% de NT

[Malky]

Dit-il sur un forum avec 75% de NT

 

Bah justement, dès que tu colles 2 NT dans la même pièce tu obtiens un embryon de liborg

[Elphyr]

On ne peut pas discuter avec un NT. Je préfère encore les xF

C'est pour cela qu'on avait abouti à la conclusion suivante : les débats, ça ne sert à rien.

[Tramp]

Dit-il sur un forum avec 75% de NT

 

Le forum où on s'engueule pour rien ? 

 

[Lancelot]

Yay mbti. Je continue ici pour arrêter le hors sujet ailleurs.

 

Moi j'ai laissé tomber assez vite quand j'ai compris que je parlais à un mec qui ne savait pas de quoi il parlait. Et je vois pas pourquoi je me ferais chier à parler à quelqu'un qui raconte n'importe quoi et m'explique en plus que j'ai tort.

Tu as tort : C'est justement pour ceux là qu'il faut pas laisser tomber !

Illustration de la différence entre INTJ et INTP

Je suis censé être INTJ ? Selon le test, j'étais INTP.

Non, justement. C'est NoName qui a l'attitude d'un INTJ (même si j'ai pas vérifié donc il me contredira peut-être) en laissant tomber la discussion quand elle ne peut plus rien lui apporter. L'INTP peut continuer à argumenter contre un mur jusqu'à la fin des temps.

Je suis INTJ si je me rappelle bien et j'approuve.

Ah oui c'est bien moi. Purée c'est fort ce truc quand même.

Je sais pas ; je suis un pur INTP (j'ai fait un vrai test !). Et pas trop du genre à débattre contre un mur.

Et le ENTJ continuera à argumenter jusqu'à la reddition complète et sans condition de son adversaire ?

Donc j'ai un article pour répondre à un peu tout ça en même temps : http://hipsterintj.tumblr.com/post/20897006308/the-great-big-intj-intp-post

 

At first glance, it seems like these two should be barely distinguishable, and get along like a particularly successful bit of arson. They’re both introverted, intuitive, and thinking types; the only difference is the perceiving/judging bit, and really, that difference should just make them an even better team, right? Not necessarily.

The easiest way to describe the difference between these two types would be to say that INTJs like to put things together and INTPs like to pull them apart.

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INTJs are Ni dominant, which means they process information by using their intuition to foresee probable outcomes. Ni is future thinking; it looks at a situation and maps out all the potential ways the variables could cause it to play out. This is supported by Te, the great organizer. Te is responsible for contingency planning, charting, outlining. Essentially, Te takes the data gathered by Ni and puts it to practical use in problem solving.

INTPs, on the other hand, are Ti dominant. Ti likes to break things down to their essential parts to see how they work. It notices details and gets the full scope of things by examining each constituent part. Their Ti is supported by Ne, which takes all the details gathered by Ti and figures out how each part is connected to and effects each other part. Where INTJ’s Ni sees how things will come together, INTP’s Ne sees how they are all currently connected.

If you’ve ever taken a philosophy class, you’ve probably seen these two types at play against each other. The INTP is that smug jackass that automatically takes the contradictory position then argues, not for the sake of their position, but to tear apart everyone else’s ideas by nitpicking verbal inconsistencies and confusing their opponents by manipulating logical gaps and re-contextualizing arguments to highlight unintended implications. The INTJ is the one that picks up the debate right when everyone else in the class is giving up and fights hard to logic the INTP into conceding their point. The INTJ gets frustrated that the INTP won’t stay on point, and those emotions lead them to make more errors for the INTP to exploit. The INTP is entertained by watching how everyone spins out over the course of the debate.

Okay, so that example had a little INTJ bias. I was a philosophy minor; I have battle scars. There are areas in which INTJs have the advantage over INTPs, but arguments are not one of them.

While they wouldn’t be particularly problematic on their own, these differences are only exacerbated by their lesser functions: Fi/Se (INTJ) and Si/Fe (INTP.) INTJs use Fi to weigh things against their beliefs and convictions, and Se to take stock of their immediate surroundings. INTPs use Si to record details and recall past experiences, and Fe to read and interpret the emotions of others.

How does this translate into behavior? Well, while an INTJ’s Ni and Se give them the ability to be excellent manipulators, their Te and Fi mean that they only use those skills when it will help them achieve a particular goal. For an INTP, their Ne and Fe give them a certain amount of natural skill in dealing with people, however their Ti and Si make them feel compelled to pick at things and manipulate people just to see what happens.

Okay, so I’ve been a little hard on INTPs so far. As I said before, INTJs and INTPs tend to chafe at each other. If you asked an INTP to describe the same scenarios they would say the INTJ is a stubborn jackass that refuses to give different points of view equal consideration. And, to be fair, the philosophy class scenario is far more likely to occur between an ENTJ and ENTP. The INTJ and INTP will most often just be sitting in the back of the class, rolling their eyes, and thinking everyone involved in the argument is an idiot in their own way. The only time an INTJ or INTP would rise to that sort of scenario is if someone said something they aggressively disagree with.

The truth is, INTPs aren’t generally aware of the fact that some of the things they do drive others up the damn wall. Their Fe is all the way down at their relief function, so they may not realize someone was upset until after the conflict is over and they’ve had time to go back and think about it. They’re far too interested in figuring out how things work, so they may get swept up in an idea and not listen to their Fe until it’s too late. Even then, they may just get the vague sense that someone is upset with them, but not be able to figure out why. They argue over semantics because logical correctness is paramount for them. They fixate on tiny details because they can see how many problems could have easily been avoided if certain details had been accounted for.

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Both types are NTs, which means they put a high value on feeling and being perceived as competent. The INTJ may feel as though the INTP is constantly doubting them when the INTP keeps probing and debating after the INTJ considers a matter settled. The INTP may start to feel that the INTJ doesn’t respect their ideas when the INTJ ends a conversation before the INTP feels every aspect has been adequately considered.

Ps tend to lack the confidence of Js, which means the INTJ might constantly steamroll the INTP. Also, Js are resolution based — INTJs like to debate, but only to reach a consensus, or, at the very least, a conclusion. Ps are open ended — INTPs like to debate, but only to see how it’s all connected; there interest doesn’t lie in the results.

[...]

Lastly, with the INTPs need for detail, the INTJ may feel like their INTP is nitpicking how they’re saying something and completely ignoring what they’re trying to say. On the other hand, with INTJs being big-picture thinkers, the INTP might feel like their INTJ is never being specific enough for them to ever understand what’s actually going on.

Quand les INTJ se retrouvent face à quelqu'un qui n'arrive pas à les suivre (ou pire, qui pourrait mais qui refuse), cela les empêche de dérouler correctement le fil de leur Te et c'est très frustrant parce que ça parasite litéralement leur pensée. D'où le nonossage mental comme mécanisme de protection.

Pour l'INTP c'est le contraire. Plus ça part dans tous les sens mieux c'est parce que ça leur suggère de nouvelles perspectives qu'ils pourront explorer à loisir plus tard dans leur tête. Par contre ils sont frustrés si le gars en face les prive de carburant en abandonnant trop tôt.

[Elphyr]

J'ai appris que Sauron et Vegeta sont ENTJ. Yeah !

Sympa l'article, merci

[fryer]

Il existe de la documentation vulgarisée en français ? J'ai l'impression de ne trouver que des sites/articles en anglais ou alors ultrateknikopsykologik où je pige pas un concept sur trois.