Laféec On Easy Flirt

[LaFéeC]

En checkant mes mails sur free, j'ai trouvé plusieurs mails d'Easy Flirt, un site de rencontres..

Voici le profil de lafeec en question :

Sexe Une femme

Age 29 ans

Astro Cancer

Pays France

Région Ile de France

Département Paris

Ville Paris 01

Poids non renseigné

Taille 0.00

Inscrite depuis de 15/06..

Et c'est moi qui reçois les annonces de types inscrits en région Parisienne…

N'empêche, y'en a bcp !!

[Patrick Smets]

C'est totalement illégal et l'opérateur doit savoir retrouver l'IP depuis lequel ton compte a été créé.

J'en connais un qui va avoir besoin d'un sacré marabout pour le faire sortir de taule !

PS: merci pour l'adresse, je cours m'inscrire.

[José]

Cette gonzesse qui renseigne son âge mais pas son poids, c'est un mec.

EDIT: cramé par Schnappi.

[LaFéeC]

De toute façon, ça peut PAS être moi, je suis balance et je vis dans le sud..

Tiens, puisqu'on y est, QUI est inscrit sur un site de rencontre ?

[Legion]

De toute façon, ça peut PAS être moi, je suis balance et je vis dans le sud..

Tiens, puisqu'on y est, QUI est inscrit sur un site de rencontre ?

Pas moi, je croise déjà assez de cons dans les rues, je vais pas leur faciliter la tâcher non plus !

[Patrick Smets]

www.jeracontemavie.org

j't'adore toi !

[xiii]

Est ce qu'un site de rencontre pour libéraux selon vous ça marcherai ? Il y aurai 20 000 mecs pour 100 nanas je suis sûr !

[Rincevent]

Est ce qu'un site de rencontre pour libéraux selon vous ça marcherai ? Il y aurai 20 000 mecs pour 100 nanas je suis sûr !

100 nanas ? Tu comptes aussi les conservatrices, alors. Pourquoi pas un site de rencontres pour ingénieurs, tant que tu y es…

Et puis il faudrait qu'il y ait 20 000 libéraux célibataires (ou libertins) en France, ce qui est loin d'être le cas.

[Marchange]

Est ce qu'un site de rencontre pour libéraux selon vous ça marcherai ? Il y aurai 20 000 mecs pour 100 nanas je suis sûr !

Ca existe ou a existé aux EU. Je te laisse chercher l'adresse.

[DiabloSwing]

En tout cas sur des forums genre hardware.fr on doit pas être loin de ce type de ratios.

[Invité jabial]

En fait il est paradoxalement plus facile pour un ingénieur (qui a compris qu'il faut soigner un peu son look et être légèrement moins autiste qu'un jabial ) de draguer une fille, hum, jolie mais pas calée, qu'une "ingénieuse" qui ne sera pas du tout impressionnée par son intelligence - et celle-ci est bien un critère de choix d'un homme, une multitude d'études le prouvent. J'ai rarement vu des couples fonctionner avec deux personnes pareilles ; il faut chercher la complémentarité.

[h16]

En fait il est paradoxalement plus facile pour un ingénieur (qui a compris qu'il faut soigner un peu son look et être légèrement moins autiste qu'un jabial ) de draguer une fille, hum, jolie mais pas calée, qu'une "ingénieuse" qui ne sera pas du tout impressionnée par son intelligence - et celle-ci est bien un critère de choix d'un homme, une multitude d'études le prouvent. J'ai rarement vu des couples fonctionner avec deux personnes pareilles ; il faut chercher la complémentarité.

Faut pas oublier cependant qu'une part non négligeable des couples se forment pendant les études…

[L'affreux]

En fait il est paradoxalement plus facile pour un ingénieur (qui a compris qu'il faut soigner un peu son look et être légèrement moins autiste qu'un jabial ) de draguer une fille, hum, jolie

Tu ne perds rien. Pour une fille, être vraiment belle, ça n'aide pas à se construire.

[Citronne]

De toute façon, ça peut PAS être moi, je suis balance et je vis dans le sud..

Tiens, puisqu'on y est, QUI est inscrit sur un site de rencontre ?

Hum moi je m'étais inscrite une fois pour pouvoir faire le test avant ^o^!

Je n'y suis pas restée très très longtemps, c'était pas rigolo. Puis bon, à mon âge, je ne trouve pas que ce soit franchement utile, à part si on est vraiment plus à l'aise sur le net que IRL, ce qui n'est pas vraiment mon cas ^^;!

Cela dit laféeC, il est sympa le mec qui t'a inscrite sur ce site XD

[Fredo]

Tiens, puisqu'on y est, QUI est inscrit sur un site de rencontre ?

Ah, maintenant que tu le dis : je m'étais inscrit sur le site de rencontres des fans d'Atlas Shrugged.

[Ronnie Hayek]

Cela dit laféeC, il est sympa le mec qui t'a inscrite sur ce site XD

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C'est totalement illégal et l'opérateur doit savoir retrouver l'IP depuis lequel ton compte a été créé.

J'en connais un qui va avoir besoin d'un sacré marabout pour le faire sortir de taule !

[ShoTo]

En fait il est paradoxalement plus facile pour un ingénieur (qui a compris qu'il faut soigner un peu son look et être légèrement moins autiste qu'un jabial ) de draguer une fille, hum, jolie mais pas calée, qu'une "ingénieuse" qui ne sera pas du tout impressionnée par son intelligence - et celle-ci est bien un critère de choix d'un homme, une multitude d'études le prouvent. J'ai rarement vu des couples fonctionner avec deux personnes pareilles ; il faut chercher la complémentarité.

Pas du tout d'accord, l'intelligence n'a aucune influence dans la seduction

[Legion]

Pas du tout d'accord, l'intelligence n'a aucune influence dans la seduction

SAUCE?

[Mobius]

SAUCE?

LURK MOAR

[Messer]

Pas du tout d'accord, l'intelligence n'a aucune influence dans la seduction

Oui et Non.

Non car les abrutis peuvent toujours choper, car il en faut pour tout le monde (sans intervention étatique s'il vous plait).

Oui car avec quelqu'un d'un minimum intelligent et estimable, ca joue pas mal, sans tomber dans le mode "nerd".

[Citronne]

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Irony is inside

[Ronnie Hayek]

Irony is inside

Préviens-nous la prochaine fois, vu que tu ne nous as guère habitués à de tels traits d'humour.

(Je suis ironique )

[ShoTo]

Je vais sur des sites expliquant la séduction depuis des années, ils disent tous que la plupart des mecs intelligent sont rejeté par les femmes

[DiabloSwing]

C'est un peu plus complexe. Je pense qu'à trop cérébraliser on oublie comment séduire peut-être simple au final. Ou que trop réfléchir, c'est ne pas agir, aussi. Ca peut expliquer pourquoi pas mal de mecs intelligents ont du mal. Mais pas de panique, il y a pas mal d'ingénieurs en couple.

[ShoTo]

C'est un peu plus complexe. Je pense qu'à trop cérébraliser on oublie comment séduire peut-être simple au final. Ou que trop réfléchir, c'est ne pas agir, aussi. Ca peut expliquer pourquoi pas mal de mecs intelligents ont du mal. Mais pas de panique, il y a pas mal d'ingénieurs en couple.

Une montre arreté donne l'heure exact 2 fois par jour, la plupart des gens meme en faisant n'importe quoi arrive a trouver quelqun

Ya juste des trucs qui marche mieux que d'autres

Tu parles des ingé, je trouve que la plupart de leur couple ne sont pas basé sur l'amour fou mais plutot sur un compromis raisonable

[LaFéeC]

www.jeracontemavie.org

j't'adore toi !

C'est pour moi ?

Pas compris

[Invité jabial]

Je vais sur des sites expliquant la séduction depuis des années, ils disent tous que la plupart des mecs intelligent sont rejeté par les femmes

Pas des mecs intelligents, des mecs qui ont un comportement de nerd. Ca n'est pas la même chose du tout. L'intelligence, c'est aussi avoir la tchatche, entre autres, gérer le non-verbal (consciemment si on ne le fait pas naturellement, ça s'apprend) ressentir et provoquer les émotions, et éviter de parler à la fille de sujets qui font mal à la tête. Si on n'est pas capable de comprendre ça, bah, on n'est pas si intelligent que ça.

[LaFéeC]

Je vais sur des sites expliquant la séduction depuis des années, ils disent tous que la plupart des mecs intelligent sont rejeté par les femmes

Y'a des sites qui *expliquent* la séduction ?

Etonnant, j'aurais pensé le contraire, les femmes aiment les hommes intelligents (pour les admirer) tandis que les hommes ont peur des femmes intelligentes. En même temps les mecs trop intelligents sont parfois (je n'ose écrire souvent) pas très sociables.

Les sites de rencontre ne m'attirent pas, je suppose que nombreux sont ceux qui mentent pour séduire. et pis, j'ai pas envie de rencontrer qqun.

[ShoTo]

ça peut paraitre long mais ce texte est vraiment tres intéressant

The Ten Reasons Why HIGHLY INTELLIGENT Men Fail With

Women… AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT…

I've been teaching men how to become more successful

with women and dating for a several years now… and

one "problem scenario" just keeps coming up OVER AND

OVER… and OVER and OVER and OVER again…

…and it's really amazes me.

I'm going to refer to it as "The Genius Failure

Paradox".

"The Genius Failure Paradox" is the tendency for

UNUSUALLY intelligent men to have very LOW levels

of success with women and dating.

After contemplating this particular paradox, discussing

it, and working on it for an awesome amount of time,

I'd like to share my thoughts about it with you.

I assume that if you've read this far, then you

see probably yourself as smarter than the average

guy.

You know that you're a little different than other

guys.

You probably realized at a young age that you saw

things differently, and thought differently than others

in school…

And you've probably realized that your smart mind

gives you an advantage over others in many areas of

life…

Your smart mind gives you a particular type of

advantage that can be very, very powerful in life:

YOU'RE USUALLY RIGHT.

Smart people get used to being "right", because

they usually ARE right.

And when you're RIGHT more often than others, you

can get ahead in many situations.

But unfortunately, this smart mind of yours can

actually be WORSE than USELESS when it comes to a

key area of life:

WOMEN AND DATING.

By the way, I did say WORSE than useless.

It can actually be like having a hammer when you

need to tighten a bolt. If you use the tool you have

for the job, you'll most likely make the situation

WORSE.

Of course, it's hard for a smart guy to even IMAGINE

a situation where his smart mind could HURT his chances

for success…

But trust me, this is one of those situations.

So relax, open your smart mind, and let me share

with you the ten reasons why smart guys fail with

women… and what to do about it.

REASON #1: THEY'RE WRONG, BUT THEY CAN'T OR WON'T SEE

IT OR ADMIT IT.

I mentioned that smart guys are used to being RIGHT

in most situations.

And what do most smart guys do when they come across

a situation where they're WRONG?

They find a new situation… one that fits their

strength. They know they'll be right next time, so

they just walk away… knowing that it won't be long

before they're right again.

(OR they let the "problem situation" destroy them…

more on that later.)

Well, the BITCH about being wrong when it comes

to women and dating is THERE'S NOWHERE TO RUN AND

HIDE.

There's no quick "I'm right" around the next corner

to make you feel better.

It only takes "failing" with a few women in a row

for a smart guy to see the pattern … and realize that

something isn't working.

Solution? Think harder.

A smart guy just assumes that his logic must be

good… so he just keeps thinking harder.

But when no success comes, it really starts to

become mentally difficult.

Accepting that you're wrong is a VERY hard thing

for a "smart guy".

Accepting that you're not only wrong, but you have

NO CLUE WHERE TO EVEN START is even more difficult.

Ultimately, many smart guys come up with the following

logical conclusion:

I AM A SMART GUY, THEREFORE IF I CAN'T FIGURE OUT

HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN AND DATING, THEN THE

PROBLEM MUST NOT BE SOLVABLE OR WORTH SOLVING.

Try that on for a self-defeating idea.

REASON #2: THEY'RE BLIND AND ARROGANT.

In short, many smart guys refuse to accept that

a good, solid, workable answer could come from someone

"dumber" than them, so they discount any idea that

comes from an "obviously less intelligent person"

before trying it.

Let me ask you a question:

If you were going to be walking across Africa on

foot, would you rather have your guide be the guy

on this planet with the highest I.Q., or a caveman

who lived a million years ago that had an I.Q. of

about 50… but who grew up being chased by lions

and all kinds of animals that wanted to eat him all

his life?

It's an interesting question.

Now, hopefully you'd like to have the guide who

isn't the smartest guy around… but who has escaped

from many, many dangerous situations with deadly animals…

But now let me ask you:

If you'd like to learn how to be more successful

with women and dating, would you take advice from

a guy who isn't very intelligent, but who knows how

to attract women?

There's something about being smart that makes

some guys unwilling to accept input, ideas, or instruction

from anyone who isn't either as smart or smarter than

them.

Well, any SMART GUY can see the folly in this particular

approach… once it's examined closely.

If you've been making this mistake, then you need

to STOP IT. Stop being an arrogant bastard, and open

your eyes.

Look around.

Learn from some "dumb" guys… and let them teach

you how to get what you REALLY want.

REASON #3: POOR SOCIAL SILLS.

It BLOWS MY MIND how many smart guys I meet that

just don't GET IT when it comes to basic social skills.

It's as if they have logically reasoned that social

skills are for lower beings who need to play games…

and not worth the time it would take to learn them.

In fact, I believe that there are a lot of smart

guys running around this planet who don't even have

"social skills" and "be a cool guy that people like"

in their "MENTAL MODEL" of what it could possibly take

to be successful with women and dating.

Social skills are just that… SKILLS.

They're not social INFORMATION.

They're not social THEORIES.

They're social SKILLS.

And you don't get them by THINKING about them.

You get them by GETTING them.

Excellent social skills are the foundation for

good communication with other humans… and if you

don't have good social skills, you dramatically lower

your chances for success with women.

REASON #4: THEY PSYCH THEMSELVES OUT.

Smart guys do something that fascinates the hell

out of me…

They come up with all the reasons why everything

WON'T WORK when it comes to women and dating.

They actually figure out why what they would like

to do will probably fail…

They use their amazing creative imaginations to

imagine all kinds of horrible pictures and scenes…

and then they use those imaginary outcomes to create

negative emotions… which ultimately stop them from

having success with women and dating.

THEY DON'T EVEN TRY.

Now, if you've thought something through and come

up with a good reason why it would fail, it makes sense

to not do it, right?

I mean, why would you want to do things that are

going to fail?

It's sound logic, but HORRIBLE thinking when it

comes to the REAL WORLD… and success with women.

Because smart guys don't UNDERSTAND women, and

they don't UNDERSTAND what it takes to be successful

with women, they are working with bad figures. They're

wrong before they even start figuring!

Using your mind to come up with all the reasons

why things won't work in this area of your life leads

to ULTIMATE FAILURE.

You must learn to overcome this habit if you have

it.

REASON #5: THEY SEEK ONLY "INFORMATIONAL SOLUTIONS"

What does a smart guy do when he runs into a problem…

or he needs to figure something out?

He looks for INFORMATION to help him solve the

problem.

MORE INFORMATION is always the answer.

Information is the friend of a smart guy.

Got a strange virus on your computer? Just hop

on the internet and search for how to eliminate it.

Don't know how to change the alternator on your

car? No prob. Just buy the manual and turn to page

147.

Don't know the definition of a word? Open up your

dictionary.

MORE INFORMATION solves the problem.

So what do smart guys do when it comes to overcoming

a problem with women?

They want MORE INFORMATION.

They think the answer lies in learning just ONE

MORE TECHNIQUE… or one more magic concept.

Well what if there were a situation in life where

the "get more information" strategy actually made

things WORSE?

How would you even know that it was making things

worse?

Now, I don't want to suggest that learning more

about how to be successful with women is a bad thing.

It's not.

But if you have a problem that is EMOTIONAL or

PHYSICAL in nature, then reading five million theories

on it probably isn't going to help you very much.

You need to get out in the real world and try some

stuff!

You need to look at the REAL problem… the ROOT

of the problem.

When it comes to women and dating, there's a very

good chance that you have MORE than enough "information".

Smart guys often use "more information" to distract

them from TAKING ACTION.

I've heard this referred to as "Creative Avoidance".

Nod silently if you've ever figured out a creative

way to avoid facing something in your life.

Good, thank you.

REASON #6: THEY FOCUS ON LOGIC INSTEAD OF EMOTION.

NEWS JUST IN: Women don't feel ATTRACTION for men

who make them THINK.

Women feel ATTRACTION for men who make them FEEL.

So what do most smart guys do when they first meet

a woman?

EXACTLY!

They get into a LOGICAL CONVERSATION.

I'm shaking my head right now…

Smart men try to engage women in LOGICAL conversations

and interactions because that's where THEY feel comfortable…

not knowing that they're SHOOTING THELSEVES IN THE

FOOT by doing it!

Get this: A monkey sitting at a typewriter will

type the collected works of Shakespeare before you

will make a woman feel ATTRACTION for you by engaging

her in logical conversation.

When you start a logical conversation with a woman

you've just met, you are basically taking out a NEON

SIGN that says "I don't get it when it comes to women"

and putting it on your head.

Typical "logical" conversations include talking

about work, family, school, and jobs… discussing

politics, religion, weather… and anything that has

to do with math, science, or INTELLIGENCE.

On the other hand, if you start talking to a woman

and you say "OK, so tell me something… Why is it

that all women say that they want sweet, nice guys…

but they all date sexy, selfish bad boys?" (and then

make fun of any answer she gives) you're having an

EMOTIONAL conversation.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, keep

reading. You need more help than I thought.

REASON #7: THEY'RE NOT USED TO THE CHALLENGE OF THE

MOMENT.

Smart people usually have time to THINK about

things.

If you're taking a test, you can sit there and

work out the answers.

If you have a math problem, you can work on it

until you've figured it out.

If you're trying to fix something, you can keep

working on it until it's fixed.

Smart guys are used to being able to take at least

a LITTLE bit of time to prepare and show off their

"good sides" in most situations.

Not so with women…

If you don't know what to do at every step along

the way, you'll be shut down very quickly.

Women have an AMAZING "He doesn't get it"

radar system.

Women have all kinds of subtle and ingenious tests

that they throw at men to separate the "get its" from

the "don't get its".

And if you don't get it, then you're going to fail

one of these tests VERY quickly.

But the worst part is that you won't ever KNOW that

you were being tested… OR that you failed.

Smart guys aren't used to dealing with complex

EMOTIONAL and COMMUNICATION challenges in the moment…

and especially the "women and dating" kind.

One of they keys to becoming more successful with

women and dating is learning to handle all of the tests

that women throw at you effortlessly.

But before you can learn how to deal with the tests,

you must first learn how to communicate on an emotional

level, how to demonstrate that you have fundamental

social skills, and how to keep your cool in the moment.

REASON #8: THEY THINK THAT DOING "NICE" THINGS IS

THE "SMART WAY"

OK, let me ask you a trick question:

If I told you that you were going to have a date

with the supermodel of your choice, which of the following

would you choose as a "smart" way of preparing:

1) Find out what her favorite type of flowers are,

and show up with a dozen of them so she would be "wowed".

2) Learn about her favorite travel destination so

you could discuss it with her.

3) Find out what her favorite type of food is so you

could take her to dinner… and she could see that

you cared enough to choose something that she enjoyed.

OK, time's up. Which did you choose?

Now, I already mentioned that this was a TRICK

question.

The answer is NONE OF THE ABOVE.

But WHY?

These three options all seemed logical, right?

I mean, why WOULDN'T you want to show up with

her favorite flowers?

Why WOULDN'T you want to talk about her favorite

places to travel?

Why WOULDN'T you want to take her to eat her favorite

foods so she enjoyed herself?

Go with me here…

Smart guys think that they're being CLEVER when

they do things like buying a woman her favorite flowers…

and bringing them to the FIRST DATE.

Right?

In their minds, they're thinking "I'm going to be

the guy who is thinking ahead… and I'm going to show

up with the flowers that I KNOW she loves… and she's

going to see them and like me more because of it".

Makes sense… good math, right?

Well the one teensy-weensy mistake that these "smart"

guys make is not realizing that it doesn't actually

take a smart person to think like this!

In fact, ANY jackass can figure out how to kiss

a woman's ass.

And guess what?

WOMEN KNOW THIS!

And guess what else?

EVERY WUSSBAG DOES THIS STUFF.

An intelligent guy, in his proud arrogance, will

think he's being such the charmer by using this "thoughtful"

approach…

…and the woman he is chasing will interpret it

as just another Wussy who's trying to MANIPULATE her.

Ouch. Another blow to intelligence.

MISTAKE #9: ALWAYS NEEDING TO BE THE EXPERT

Have you ever met a smart guy who always needed

to be "right"?

Have you ever met someone who would actually argue

with you about something they knew nothing about…

and make a fool of themselves because they just couldn't

shut their "smart mouths"?

Over the last few years helping guys improve their

success with women, I see this one pattern over and

over again…

Smart guys don't like to be "beginners" at ANYTHING.

They don't like the idea of screwing up… especially

if others are watching.

They want to maintain this "smart guy" image of

themselves… so they try to always be "The Expert"

at whatever they do.

Instead of saying "Hey, you know what? I'm a beginner

at this… how do I do it? What should I do first?

What next?"… and instead of being totally OK with

screwing up, making mistakes, and making a fool of

themselves in front of others in order to LEARN…

…they won't risk embarrassment, failure, or others

thinking that they're beginners… so they wind up

ultimately FAILING.

MORE NEWS JUST IN: It's OK to be a beginner .

MISTAKE #10: THEY CAN'T DEAL WITH FEAR AND OTHER EMOTIONS

A smart guy's STRENGTH is his MIND.

His WEAKNESS is often his EMOTIONS.

Smart guys are often IMMOBILIZED by FEAR.

Totally stopped.

FROZEN.

And since many smart guys aren't comfortable dealing

with things they're not good at, they just repress

or RUN away from fear.

Many men would rather DIE in lonely isolation than

admit that they don't know how to deal with their

emotions… or, GOD FORBID, ask for help!

Hey, I went for YEARS like this.

I know what it's like.

But the reality is that any guy can learn to handle

and even MASTER his emotions (even fear)… if he

just takes the time and effort to learn HOW to do

it.

If this is you, then do yourself a big favor…

take the time. Take the effort.

Don't worry about what anyone else thinks of you…

it doesn't matter.

What matters is you doing the things that YOU need

to do FOR YOU.

…I think the reason why I'm so fascinated with

"The Genius Failure Paradox" is because I have had

to struggle with all of these issues for a lot of

years of my life.

Now, I'm not saying that I'm the smartest guy on

the planet…

But I don't think mamma raised no fool.

And it always bothered the hell out of me that

even though I was so good at figuring things out,

I couldn't figure WOMEN out.

Something tells me that you know what I'm talking

about.

Well, after beating my head against the wall for

a few years… trying all kinds of crazy "logical"

stuff… I finally got the "bright" idea to start

studying guys who were "naturally" good with women.

Of course, I found out that you could be both NOT

SMART, and VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN at the same

time.

I also learned that you can be SMART and VERY SUCCESSFUL

WITH WOMEN too.

By carefully studying what the "naturals" did with

women… and learning how they "thought" about the

topic, I began to realize that success with women wasn't

entirely LOGICAL.

Much of what I learned was very tough for me to

accept… because my logical brain just didn't want

to buy into it.

One thing I saw was guys pushing women away from

them… and having the women then chase them in response.

Made no sense at all.

I saw guys tease beautiful women and make jokes

about them to their faces… and then watched those

women become "little girls" in response… unable to

maintain their composure, and therefore unable to

maintain their manipulative power…

It took me quite a long time, but I continued to

learn, test, and refine what I was learning until

I personally figured out how to approach women in

any situation… get any woman's number I wanted

anytime I wanted… date any type of woman I wanted…

…and most importantly, GET RID of that "empty"

feeling that I carried around my whole life because

I didn't know how to attract women.

And once I got this area of my own life together,

I decided to help other guys get this area of THEIR

lives together.

[L'affreux]

Etonnant, j'aurais pensé le contraire, les femmes aiment les hommes intelligents (pour les admirer) tandis que les hommes ont peur des femmes intelligentes. En même temps les mecs trop intelligents sont parfois (je n'ose écrire souvent) pas très sociables.

C'est surtout qu'il faut être sensible. Qu'on soit un mec ou une nana, on ne va pas se mettre avec une calculatrice. Sensible ET bien dans sa peau. Pas facile.

EDIT : le texte de ShoTo concerne effectivement les nerds. C'est la conséquence d'un reciblage là où l'on est bon, suite à des échecs émotionnels mal vécus, qui conduit ces personnes à devenir réellement mauvaises dans la gestion de leur sentiment, et simultanément à devenir performantes dans l'intellectualisation.