Ron Paul gagne un vote informel aux USA

[Kuing Yamang]

Tiens, une longue vidéo sur Ron Paul:

[Alliterator]

Tiens, une longue vidéo sur Ron Paul:

Tu penses qu'on pourrait avoir l'autorisation de la mettre sur Contrepoints TV ? Si oui, je peux m'en occuper.

[Kuing Yamang]

Tu penses qu'on pourrait avoir l'autorisation de la mettre sur Contrepoints TV ?

Faut d'abord la regarder en entier, non ? je ne l'ai pas fait, pas le temps ni la tête à (style vérifier qu'il ne dise pas des bourdes style créationnisme ).

Et puis comme d'hab, on met (avec les sources) et si ça gueule on vire, mais je pense que ce qu'ils veulent, c'est que ce soit connu donc je ne vois pas pourquoi ils s'y opposeraient.

[Kuing Yamang]

Tiens, Guy Millière pond un truc:

http://www.dreuz.info/2011/12/ron-paul-la-pathologie-libertarienne

[F. mas]

http://www.dreuz.inf…e-libertarienne

ouh le con !

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Pour que Guytounet se fende d'un article entre Noël et jour de l'an, c'est que Ron Paul a une vraie chance de remporter l'investiture.

[Arturus]

Pour que Guytounet se fende d'un article entre Noël et jour de l'an, c'est que Ron Paul a une vraie chance de remporter l'investiture.

Oui, c'est bon signe.

Que de mauvaise foi condensée en un seul article…

[DiabloSwing]

Personne pour lancer un édifiant ?

[Fenster]

Tiens, Guy Millière pond un truc:

http://www.dreuz.inf…e-libertarienne

Couché Guytou! Couché j'ai dis!

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Encore une attaque du Weekly standard, assez inquiétante cette fois-ci:

(badurl) http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ex-aide-says-ron-paul-911-truther-isolationist-who-thinks-us-shouldnt-have-fought-hitler_614883.html (badurl)

Cet article se réfère à la confession de l'ancien assistant de Ron Paul:

(badurl) http://rightwingnews.com/election-2012/statement-from-fmr-ron-paul-staffer-on-newsletters-anti-semitism/ (badurl)

En résumé, Ron Paul ne serait ni raciste ni homophobe mais serait adepte de théories du complot quant au 11 septembre et ses positions personnelles (pas celles exprimées en public) en politique étrangère seraient complètement absurdes.

Hé oui, maintenant qu'il n'est plus un candidat marginal, il faut s'attendre à ce que ce genre d'attaques se mulitplient. J'espère qu'il a un bon service de sécurité.

[Chitah]

Tiens, Guy Millière pond un truc:

http://www.dreuz.inf…e-libertarienne

Qu'est-ce que c'est que ces salades. Il y a un ou deux points, qu'il mentionne, dont on peut parler, mais le reste c'est nawak.

[Nick de Cusa]

Il rentre maintenant (enfin) dans le jeu politique normal consistant à tenter de détruire l'adversaire. Noter ses vidéos anti Gingrich. Il va en prendre plein la gueule et il va en rendre autant.

[Chitah]

Il rentre maintenant (enfin) dans le jeu politique normal consistant à tenter de détruire l'adversaire. Noter ses vidéos anti Gingrich. Il va en prendre plein la gueule et il va en rendre autant.

Et je pense que l'angle d'attaque contre Paul, celui consistant à le faire passer pour un illuminé, est le bon. Si je faisais partie de son équipe, je lancerais une offensive en normalisation, le montrer en train de faire des trucs raisonnables, etc.

[Nick de Cusa]

Ca et montrer que les tarés c'est les autres (bailouts, QE, Irak, Afghanistan, war on drugs, et tout et tout).

[Chitah]

Ca et montrer que les tarés c'est les autres (bailouts, QE, Irak, Afghanistan, war on drugs, et tout et tout).

Oui, absolument, montrer le côté obsessionnel et irrationnel de tout cela, tu as parfaitement raison. Et surtout, rappeler des trucs comme : au départ, l'action en Afghanistan était une Police Action, pas une Declaration of War. Cela dénote une capacité de déni de la réalité tout à fait étonnante (c'est du storytelling, on sait que cette action a été vendue comme police action pour des raisons marketing…).

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

De l'autre côté, plus on donne des gages à un parano, plus il est parano. La bonne attitude consiste à rappeler que l'auteur de ces attaques est un ancien employé qui a été débarqué et qui veut se venger. Aux Etats-Unis, ça marche très bien.

[Chitah]

De l'autre côté, plus on donne des gages à un parano, plus il est parano. La bonne attitude consiste à rappeler que l'auteur de ces attaques est un ancien employé qui a été débarqué et qui veut se venger. Aux Etats-Unis, ça marche très bien.

Oui c'est pas faux. Et si possible ressortir son dossier de salarié, dire pourquoi il a été viré, charger la barque, le crucifier sur place.

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Oui c'est pas faux. Et si possible ressortir son dossier de salarié, dire pourquoi il a été viré, charger la barque, le crucifier sur place.

Ron Paul avait déjà mentionné Dondero en ces termes en 2007:

http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/22/ron-paul-on-9-11-and-eric-dond

Donc, si c'est tout ce qu'on a trouvé contre lui, c'est plutôt bon signe: il n'a pas trop de casseroles, pas d'ancienne maîtresse qui va surgir d'un chapeau (elles sont probablement toutes décédées ou trop séniles), pas de squelette dans le placard, sauf pour les cours d'anatomie.

[Chitah]

Ron Paul avait déjà mentionné Dondero en ces termes en 2007:

http://reason.com/bl…1-and-eric-dond

Donc, si c'est tout ce qu'on a trouvé contre lui, c'est plutôt bon signe: il n'a pas trop de casseroles, pas d'ancienne maîtresse qui va surgir d'un chapeau (elles sont probablement toutes décédées ou trop séniles), pas de squelette dans le placard, sauf pour les cours d'anatomie.

Normalement, aux USA, les candidats subissent un vetting process, consistant à lancer une équipe chargée de trouver les casseroles et de préparer les contrefeux le cas échéant, ou construire le dossier pour invalider la candidature, jugée trop risquée. Il y a parfois quelques ratés, comme Hermann Cain, ou ce type qui s'est fait choper à balancer sur son twitter public des photos de lui en calbutte.

[justt]

Ron Paul est vraiment adepte des conspirations 9/11 ?

[hagakure23]

Ron Paul est vraiment adepte des conspirations 9/11 ?

[tout38]

Impressionnant le nombre d'attaques dont il est l'objet depuis plusieurs semaines. L'establishment aurait-il peur de la montée en puissance de ce candidat si atypique, un des seuls, si ce n'est le seul, à vouloir rompre avec des décennies de socialisme. J'espère aussi qu'il est bien protégé, car les tenants de l'immobilisme semblent vraiment prêts à tout pour préserver l'affreux système en place et poursuivre jusqu'à la faillite totale leurs sinistres politiques keynésiennes.

God bless Ron Paul!

[Baltar]

Et je pense que l'angle d'attaque contre Paul, celui consistant à le faire passer pour un illuminé, est le bon. Si je faisais partie de son équipe, je lancerais une offensive en normalisation, le montrer en train de faire des trucs raisonnables, etc.

C'est là que Mme Paul intervient avec sa tarte aux pommes

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[Nirvana]

Ron Paul Refuses to Disavow Stormfront, Other Anti-Semitic, Racist Groups Openly Campaigning for Him

December 26, 2011, - 5:36 pm

By Debbie Schlussel

If Ron Paul wins the Iowa Caucuses, just over a week from now, it will be a very definitive sign that Iowans–particularly Republican Iowans–embrace and endorse Jew-hating bigots (just like when Jesse Jackson won the Michigan Democratic Primary in 1988). This isn’t about people from the opposite party crossing over to help elect the worst candidate. Ron Paul wouldn’t get far with just those. Nope. This is far more worrisome. Ron Paul is getting a big boost from the neo-Nazi Stormfront site and other openly anti-Semitic, racist groups. And Ron Paul is neither disavowing nor denouncing those groups and their support:

The American Free Press, which markets books like “The Invention of the Jewish People” and “March of the Titans: A History of the White Race,” is urging its subscribers to help it send hundreds of copies of Ron Paul’s collected speeches to voters in New Hampshire. The book, it promises, will “Help Dr. Ron Paul Win the G.O.P. Nomination in 2012!”

Don Black, director of the white nationalist Web site Stormfront, said in an interview that several dozen of his members were volunteering for Mr. Paul’s presidential campaign, and a site forum titled “Why is Ron Paul such a favorite here?” has no fewer than 24 pages of comments. “I understand he wins many fans because his monetary policy would hurt Jews,” read one. . . .

The white supremacists, survivalists and anti-Zionists who have rallied behind his candidacy have not exactly been warmly welcomed. “I wouldn’t be happy with that,” Mr. Paul said in an interview Friday when asked about getting help from volunteers with anti-Jewish or antiblack views.

But he did not disavow their support. “If they want to endorse me, they’re endorsing what I do or say — it has nothing to do with endorsing what they say,” said Mr. Paul, who is now running strong in Iowa for the Republican nomination.

(Emphasis added.) Get it? Paul is trying to pretend he doesn’t agree with these groups without expressly saying so because he, in fact, does agree with them and does want their support. Well, I would be “sad” about getting Nazi support, but I’ll accept whatever help they will give me. Nod, nod, wink, wink. More:

Mr. Black said Mr. Paul was attractive because of . . . his goal of eliminating the Federal Reserve, which the Stormfront board considers to be essentially a private bank with no government oversight. “Also, our board recognizes that most of the leaders involved in the Fed and the international banking system are Jews.”

Oh, and by the way, I don’t believe for a second that the bigotry in Ron Paul’s newsletters didn’t reflect his own views. In fact, one statement matches up quite well with what his former personal aide Eric Dondero told me over the weekend (and his staffers who wrote the newsletters, including the nutjob anti-Semite Lew Rockwell, supported David Duke).

Mr. Paul’s newsletters veered into language that would most likely appeal to Mr. Duke’s followers, including the suggestion in 1994 that Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Typical Ron Paul nuttery and Jew-hatred. And making excuses for Arab Muslims at every opportunity.

Then, there’s this:

[Edward H.] Crane of the Cato Institute [the libertarian think tank] recalled comparing notes with Mr. Paul in the early 1980s about direct mail solicitations for money. When Mr. Crane said that mailing lists of people with the most extreme views seemed to draw the best response, Mr. Paul responded that he found the same thing with a list of subscribers to the Spotlight, a now-defunct publication founded by the Holocaust denier Willis A. Carto.

[Reached by the New York Times,] Mr. Paul . . . said he would not have a problem seeking support from such a list.

It’s bad enough that Ron Paul is revered by so many tea party activists and attendees, now this White version of Jeremiah Wright could win the Iowa GOP Caucuses.

G-d help us all.

http://www.debbiesch…igning-for-him/

Ex-Ron Paul Aide to Schlussel: “He HATES Israel,” Banned Sympathy for 9/11 Victims/Support for US Military, Upset We Fought Nazis

By Debbie Schlussel

To all of the PaulNuts out there who argue that Ron Paul isn’t anti-Semitic or anti-Israel, just isolationist libertarian and doesn’t believe we should be involved in foreign policy, that’s just bunk. As I pointed out previously on this site, Paul, and the two equally nutty Republican Congressmen (including Palestinian Justin Amash) who support him for President, had the opportunity to vote to end U.S. aid to HAMAS, and they voted against it, choosing instead to continue to send your tax money to HAMAS and its supporters in Gaza. Ron Paul also proudly spoke at the openly pro-HAMAS/pro-Hezbollah Arab American Institute Leadership Conference (see the video of his pandering speech, below). That’s aside from Paul’s 9/11 trutherism and his constant blaming of America for 9/11 and the Muslim world hating us. It’s not to mention his constant defense of Iran, its funding of HAMAS and Hezbollah, and its acquisition of nuclear weapons. And don’t forget how Paul happily accepted campaign contributions from the owner of the anti-Semitic, racist, neo-Nazi Stormfront site. Now, there is more.

Ron Paul Poses @ Pro-HAMAS/Hezbollah Arab American Institute Conference

Over the weekend I received a statement from Eric Dondero, a libertarian Republican, who worked for Ron Paul for 17 years. Dondero, who now publishes the Libertarian Republican site, was Ron Paul’s personal assistant and worked on his various campaigns, etc. He had some very disturbing things to say about Ron Paul, his open support for the Palestinians and hatred of Israel, his opposition to fighting World War II, how he asked Dondero to wear a yarmulke and other adornments to a press conference to answer charges of Paul’s anti-Semitism, etc. Dondero also shows us how unprincipled Paul is. He claimed he was against the war in Iraq, and regardless of what you think of the war in hindsight, Paul changed his vote to protect his political career. He’s not the principled libertarian he claims he is. He’s just another political hack and opportunist, like almost everybody else in office. I don’t agree with Eric’s dismissal of the racist and anti-Semitic comments in the Ron Paul newsletters. Those are important. But so is this information from Eric. As you read Eric Dondero’s statement, remember that Eric occupied these positions in Ron Paul’s employ:

* Fmr. Senior Aide, US Cong. Ron Paul, 1997 – 2003

* Campaign Coordinator, Ron Paul for Congress, 1995/96

* National Organizer, Draft Ron Paul for President, 1991/92

* Travel Aide/Personal Asst. Ron Paul, Libertarian for President

1987/88

Here are some excerpts from the statement Eric Dondero sent me (all of the emphasis/bold-lettering was added by me):

He is . . . most certainly Anti-Israel, and Anti-Israeli in general. He wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all. He expressed this to me numerous times in our private conversations. His view is that Israel is more trouble than it is worth, specifically to the America taxpayer. He sides with the Palestinians, and supports their calls for the abolishment of the Jewish state, and the return of Israel, all of it, to the Arabs. . . .

On the incident that’s being talked about in some blog media about the campaign manager directing me to a press conference of our opponent Lefty Morris in Victoria to push back on Anti-Jewish charges from the Morris campaign, yes, that did happen. The Victoria Advocate described the press conference very accurately. Yes, I was asked (not forced), to attend the conference dressed in a Jewish yarlmuke, and other Jewish adornments. [DS: Eric Dondero's mother is Jewish, and, therefore, he is Jewish according to Jewish law, but does not identify as such, only as "half-Jewish."]

There was another incident when Ron finally agreed to a meeting with Houston Jewish Young Republicans at the Freeport office. He berated them, and even shouted at one point, over their un-flinching support for Israel. So, much so, that the 6 of them walked out of the office. I was left chasing them down the hallway apologizing for my boss. . . .

Ron Paul is most assuredly an isolationist. He denies this charge vociferously. But I can tell you straight out, I had countless arguments/discussions with him over his personal views. For example, he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII. He expressed to me countless times, that “saving the Jews,” was absolutely none of our business. When pressed, he often times brings up conspiracy theories like FDR knew about the attacks of Pearl Harbor weeks before hand, or that WWII was just “blowback,” for Woodrow Wilson’s foreign policy errors, and such.

I would challenge him, like for example, what about the instances of German U-boats attacking U.S. ships, or even landing on the coast of North Carolina or Long Island, NY. He’d finally concede that that and only that was reason enough to counter-attack against the Nazis, not any humanitarian causes like preventing the Holocaust. . . .

There is much more information I could give you on the sheer lunacy of his foreign policy views. Let me just concentrate on one in specific. And I will state this with absolute certainty:

Ron Paul was opposed to the War in Afghanistan, and to any military reaction to the attacks of 9/11.

He did not want to vote for the resolution. He immediately stated to us staffers, me in particular, that Bush/Cheney were going to use the attacks as a precursor for “invading” Iraq. He engaged in conspiracy theories including perhaps the [9/11] attacks were coordinated with the CIA, and that the Bush administration might have known about the attacks ahead of time. He expressed no sympathies whatsoever for those who died on 9/11, and pretty much forbade us staffers from engaging in any sort of memorial expressions, or openly asserting pro-military statements in support of the Bush administration. . . .

Ron was “under the spell” of left-anarchist and Lew Rockwell associate Joe Becker at the time, who was our legislative director. [DS: Lew Rockwell is an anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, isolationist libertarian nut.] Norm Singleton, another Lew Rockwell fanatic agreed with Joe. All other staffers were against Ron, Joe and Norm on this, including Lizardo. At the very last minute Ron switched his stance and voted “Yay,” much to the great relief of Jackie and I. He never explained why, but I strongly suspected that he realized it would have been political suicide; that staunchly conservative Victoria would revolt, and the Republicans there would ensure that he would not receive the nomination for the seat in 2002. Also, as much as I like to think that it was my yelling and screaming at Ron, that I would publicly resign if he voted “No,” I suspect it had a lot more to do with Jackie’s threat, for she WAS Victoria. And if Jackie bolted, all of the Victoria conservatives would immediately turn on Ron, and it wouldn’t be pretty.

If you take anything from this lengthy statement, I would hope that it is this final story about the Afghanistan vote, that the liberal media chooses to completely ignore, because it doesn’t fit their template, is what you will report.

If Ron Paul should be slammed for anything, it’s not some silly remarks he’s made in the past in his Newsletters. It’s over his simply outrageously horrendous views on foreign policy, Israel, and national security for the United States. His near No vote on Afghanistan. That is the big scandal. And that is what should be given 100 times more attention from the liberal media, than this Newsletter deal.

Thanks, Eric, for having the courage to shed more light on this fraud known as Ron Paul. Republicans in Iowa (and elsewhere) who vote for this clown are doing nothing to help America and everything to make sure that Barack Obama is President for eight years instead of just four. I would vote for any of the other potential Republican candidates for President against Barack Obama. But I would NEVER vote for Ron Paul. Never. I would simply abstain in the race.

There is a reason so many kooks, neo-Nazis, Stormfront crowd thugs, and–yes–even Muslims are supporters of Ron Paul. They know what he stands for. And so does Eric Dondero, who was his personal aide for over a decade.

Thankfully, Ron Paul will not be the GOP nominee or President of the United States. Anyone voting for him is simply helping to elevate the respectability of this anti-American, Israel-hating, pan-Arabist, pro-Iran fraud. And, again, they are helping to elevate the re-election chances of Barack Hussein Obama.

Here’s Ron Paul’s disgusting speech to the HAMAS and Hezbollah supporters at the Arab American Institute event dominated by Muslims.

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http://www.debbieschlussel.com/45518/ex-ron-paul-aide-to-schlussel-he-hates-israel-forbade-sympathy-for-911-victims-hated-support-for-us-military-upset-we-fought-nazis/

[h16]

Si cette pouffe est aussi remontée contre lui, décidément, c'est qu'il a de plus en plus de chance de décrocher la timbale.

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Quand je parlais de parano…

[JackieV]

Tiens, Guy Millière pond un truc:

http://www.dreuz.inf…e-libertarienne

Boh il n'a pas tort en ce qui concerne les libertariens hu hu

[Dan]

Un petit article avec des videos sur Ron Paul dans rue89.

http://blogs.rue89.com/liberaux-fiers/2011/12/27/ron-paul-un-liberal-classique-prochain-president-des-etats-unis-226088-0

On n'attrape pas des mouches avec du vinaigre. Il vaut mieux mettre en avant ce qui boboïsement correct dans rue89.

Sous réserve que les boules puantes sorties récemment sont bien aérées, la candidature de Ron Paul peut à mon avis vraiment servir d'accelerateur pour diffuser les idées libérales en France.

[Sous-Commandant Marco]

Boh il n'a pas tort en ce qui concerne les libertariens hu hu

Il a intégralement tort dès lors que de nombreux libertariens, ou soi-disant tels, ne prônent pas les vues en politique extérieure qu'il dénonce chez Ron Paul. Par ailleurs, quand il décrit Ron Paul comme libertarien, il est également complètement à côté de la plaque. Bref, c'est un tissu d'observations justes mais sans intérêt (sur Mitt Romney ou Gingrich par exemple) et de déformations inspirées par les croyances et les préjugés de l'auteur. Quand on songe que ce dernier a été président de l'institut Turgot, voilà qui en dit long sur l'état de déliquescence du libéralisme français.

[Skit]

Faut d'abord la regarder en entier, non ? je ne l'ai pas fait, pas le temps ni la tête à (style vérifier qu'il ne dise pas des bourdes style créationnisme ).

Et puis comme d'hab, on met (avec les sources) et si ça gueule on vire, mais je pense que ce qu'ils veulent, c'est que ce soit connu donc je ne vois pas pourquoi ils s'y opposeraient.

Elle provient de "For Liberty", le reportage fait par des tea partiers sur les tea parties et la campagne de Ronny en 2008. Disponible librement sur Youtube (licence CC je pense), c'est la première vidéo que j'ai essayé d'envoyer sur la chaîne mais elle avait été considérée trop longue par Youtube (notre limite est à combien maintenant?). La reprendre traduite en plusieurs parties (si youtube nous refuse tout le métrage) pourrait être sympa alors que nous sommes à une semaine de la victoire de Ron Paul en Iowa.