Les schtroumpfs, communistes et nazis en même temps ?

[WBell]

Je ne me souviens pas avoir vu passer de post à ce sujet.

Antoine Buéno, écrivain, chargé de mission au groupe centriste du Sénat, enseignant à Science Po et plume de Bayrou en 2007, sort ce mercredi le Petit livre bleu

D'après sa propre analyse,

Ma théorie est que les Schtroumpfs sont l’archétype d’une utopie totalitaire empreinte de stalinisme et de nazisme.

Une utopie, parce que c’est une société de félicité, une collectivité sans argent, en autarcie, stable. Le communisme, on le trouve dans la collectivisation, la condamnation de l’argent, les grands travaux. Puis il y a l’uniforme rouge du grand Schtroumpf. Le nazisme, c’est le racisme avec le Schtroumpf noir, le faciès de Gargamelle qui rappelle les caricatures antisémites. Le fait qu’il est accompagné d’un chat qui s’appelle Asraël. Il est mu par la cupidité. Et il y a la sublimation de la blondeur de la Schtroumpfette.

Voilà voilà…

C'est potache et à moitié sérieux en même temps.

Son explication, c'est que bien que Peyo était apolitique à l'époque, les stéréotypes de l'époque présent dans l'inconscient collectif, ont imprégné sont oeuvre.

Deux liens :

http://www.publicsen…explique-120204

http://www.lexpress….leu_989833.html

Ça ne m'empêchera pas de laisser mes enfants lire les Schtroumpfs, nom d'un schtroumpf !

[Chitah]

Voilà voilà…

C'est potache et à moitié sérieux en même temps.

Son explication, c'est que bien que Peyo était apolitique à l'époque, les stéréotypes de l'époque présent dans l'inconscient collectif, ont imprégné sont oeuvre.

Oui, j'ai écouté brièvement l'auteur présenter son bouquin à la radio, c'est à la fois un bon gros trollage, mais aussi une analyse de l'imprégnation des préjugés de l'époque dans une oeuvre pour enfants.

[Ultros]

Mais les schtroumpfs sont bleus, couleur royale chez les capétiens. Ils portent un bonnet phrygien, indice possible de penchants jacobins sauf que le schtroumpfissime, pourtant royaliste, garde ce couvre-chef une fois monté sur le trône. Leurs chaumières sont technologiquement arriérées ce qui va à l'encontre du scientisme et de l'utopie du progrès. Ils vivent dans la foret ce qui peut laisser supposer un relent de pangermanisme, mais ils ne chassent pas. Ils ne mangent que des plantes ce qui fait d'eux une sous-espèce. Le grand shtroumpf utilise la magie, art suspect, et est soutenu par le schtroumpf à lunette, intellectuel méprisable. La schtroumpfette est transformée en blonde par manipulation génétique, ce qui ouvre la piste de l'eugénisme, sauf que le bébé schtroumpfs, pourtant parfaitement conforme, est apporté par une cigogne, animal tueur de serpents à l'instar d'Ibis ou Héron, donc adversaire de Satan donc serviteur du Christ. La schtroumpfette est aussi cause de rixe permanente chez les schtroumpfs, ce qui rectifie la thèse du héros blond, modèle et guide unificateur du peuple schtroumpf.

Le schtroumpf farceur est un anarchiste toléré dans la société alors que ses attentats ne sont pas politiquement signifiants et touchent des cibles alliées. Le schtroumpf grognon laisse publiquement s'exprimer ses penchants dépressifs sans que personne ne l’arrête. Les schtroumpfs olympiques sont remportés par le schtroumpf chétif qui est pourtant l'archétype du juif pusillanime, assisté et manipulateur. Le cosmoschtroumpfs échoue dans son projet d'aller sur la lune car il a raté ses études, ses congénères sont trop faibles pour lui avouer que sa science est défaillante et n'essaient pas d'améliorer ses plans, ce qui infirme l'hypothèse d'une guerre froide avec Gargamel, lequel est pauvre et animé par la vengeance plus que par l’appât du gain.

Voilà, ça c'est fait.

J'aimais bien les schtroumpfs aussi quand j'étais petit, je crois que c'est la première bd que j'ai regardé. Et voilà…vous voyez ce que je suis devenu. Faites attention à vos enfants.

[Dinsdale]

Mais les schtroumpfs sont bleus, couleur royale chez les capétiens. Ils portent un bonnet phrygien, indice possible de penchants jacobins sauf que le schtroumpfissime, pourtant royaliste, garde ce couvre chef une fois monté sur le trône. Leurs chaumières sont technologiquement arriérées ce qui va à l'encontre du scientisme et de l'utopie du progrès. Ils vivent dans la foret ce qui peut laisser supposer un relent de pangermanisme, mais ils ne chassent pas. Ils ne mangent que des plantes ce qui fait d'eux une sous-espèce. Le grand shtroumpf utilise la magie, art suspect, et est soutenu par le schtroumpf à lunette, intellectuel méprisable. La schtroumpfette est transformée en blonde par manipulation génétique, ce qui ouvre la piste de l'eugénisme, sauf que le bébé schtroumpfs, pourtant parfaitement conforme, est apporté par une cigogne, animal tueur de serpents à l'instar d'Ibis ou Héron, donc adversaire de Satan donc serviteur du Christ. La schtroumpfette est aussi cause de rixe permanente chez les schtroumpfs, ce qui rectifie la thèse du héros blond, modèle et guide unificateur du peuple schtroumpf.

Le schtroumpf farceur est un anarchiste toléré dans la société alors que ses attentats ne sont pas politiquement signifiants et touchent des cibles alliées. Le schtroumpf grognon laisse publiquement s'exprimer ses penchants dépressifs sans que personne ne l’arrête. Les schtroumpfs olympiques sont remportés par le schtroumpf chétif qui est pourtant l'archétype du juif pusillanime, assisté et manipulateur. Le cosmoschtroumpfs échoue dans son projet d'aller sur la lune car il a raté ses études, ses congénères sont trop faibles pour lui avouer que sa science est défaillante et n'essaient pas d'améliorer ses plans, ce qui infirme l'hypothèse d'une guerre froide avec Gargamel, lequel est pauvre et animé par la vengeance plus que par l’appât du gain.

Voilà, ça c'est fait.

J'aimais bien les schtroumpfs aussi quand j'étais petit, je crois que c'est la première bd que j'ai regardé. Et voilà…vous voyez ce que je suis devenu. Faites attention à vos enfants.

Attention les petits enfants, il ne faut pas fumer la salsepareille, sinon vous risquez d'avoir les dents jaunes et de vous transformer en poulpe violet !

[Chitah]

J'ai eu un choc cognitif lorsque j'ai appris que la salsepareille existait vraiment. J'étais persuadé du contraire.

[Drake]

J'ai eu un choc cognitif lorsque j'ai appris que la salsepareille existait vraiment. J'étais persuadé du contraire.

J'ai bu un jour une boisson à la salsepareille (en Australie dans un distributeur de canettes au milieu de cocas et autres sodas), j'ai eu un choc stomacal.

[Chitah]

J'ai bu un jour une boisson à la salsepareille (en Australie dans un distributeur de canettes au milieu de cocas et autres sodas), j'ai eu un choc stomacal.

Ca ressemble à quoi, à la root beer nord américaine, au Selecto algérien, un truc comme ça?

[Nicolas Azor]

De toute façon, en général les jeunes ont tendance à être de gauche. C'est en grandissant qu'on comprend l'économie, la vie etc, et qu'on devient de droite.

Moi à quinze ans je crois me souvenir que je me considérais communiste.

[Drake]

Ca ressemble à quoi, à la root beer nord américaine, au Selecto algérien, un truc comme ça?

Ca ressemble à rien de buvable, je peux te le garantir.

[Jean Karl]

De toute façon, en général les jeunes ont tendance à être de gauche. C'est en grandissant qu'on comprend l'économie, la vie etc, et qu'on devient de droite.

Moi à quinze ans je crois me souvenir que je me considérais communiste.

Dans un lycée publique c'est super mal vu de ne pas être de gauche. Puis, quand on commence à comprendre la vie, c'est la qu'on se rend compte qu'en fait, le communisme, ça ne peut marcher QUE chez les schtroumpf ^^

[François]

Moi à quinze ans je crois me souvenir que je me considérais communiste.

Je n'ai jamais été jusque là, mais vers 15 ans, j'ai été admirateur de Sartre pendant trois mois . J'ai d'ailleurs gardé de l'estime pour son théatre que je trouve excellent techniquement, même si je n'en admets pas l'idéologie.

[teabag]

le communisme, ça ne peut marcher QUE chez les schtroumpf ^^

Une complicité a vraisemblablement existé entre l'auteur des Chrtoumf et les producteurs de Star Trek.

Objective

The primary goal of this document is to show that the writers and producers of Star Trek are promoting the values and ideals of communism. I should note that this has not

always

been the case; the TOS Federation was clearly a free market, and I can only imagine that some sort of coup occurred during the intervening period between TOS and TNG. One could theorize that radical left-wing activists took control of the government agenda.

Communism

In order to answer the question of whether the Federation is communist, we must first define communism. As most people are vaguely aware, communism was first popularized by Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels, in the mid-19th century. In February of 1848, they published their "Communist Manifesto", which eventually became the inspiration for Communist revolutions in Russia, China, North Korea, North Vietnam, Cuba, and numerous other nations (I suppose I should note that neo-Marxists deny any connection to these communist states, claiming that they were "perversions" of the lofty, wonderful, perfect Marxist ideals that would have created a paradise on Earth if we had only given them a chance. Of course, they are reluctant to acknowledge that Marxist ideals defy implementation for numerous reasons of practicality and human nature, so a real-life communist state will

always

be a perversion of the "ideal").

In any case, although millions of people have strong opinions on "The Communist Manifesto", very few of them have ever had the misfortune of actually

reading

this irrational gibberish. I am one of the unfortunate few who

has

read it (click

here

for the gory details), and it is definitely the blueprint (albeit with some modifications) for the Federation's socio-economic structure. If we disregard some of Karl Marx's dated agricultural ideas, the abridged version of the basic tenets of marxism are as follows:

1. Abolition of property rights
   . Government intervention in the buying and selling of goods increases by an order of magnitude. Investments are verboten. The concept of private property is virtually destroyed. Neo-marxists are quick to point out that Marx only wanted to eliminate "exploitative"
   capitalist
   property, rather than the
   personal
   property of the "artisan and craftsman". However, Marx never explained
   how
   to preserve one while eliminating the other. For example, at what point do Grandma's savings become exploitative capitalist investments? How do you criminalize one without criminalizing the other?. The result of his half-baked idea is a proposal which is impossible to implement, so real communist states have historically abolished
   all
   forms of private property (thus creating a vacuum which black marketeers sprang up to fill).

2. State seizure of transportation services
   . Emigration is criminalized, and the state seizes control of all means of transport (note that this state monopoly should not be confused with modern public transit systems, which must compete with private companies and personal vehicles). This has the effect of eliminating
   freedom of movement
   , since citizens become dependent on government services in order to travel. Again, neo-Marxists claim that Karl Marx only had the loftiest of goals in mind (getting the vital transportation services out of the hands of greedy capitalists), but they forget that he failed to explain why a government would be a better service provider than a free market. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, and the state seizure of transportations would represent a vast increase in government power. Do you remember the old adage about how power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely? Karl Marx didn't.

3. State seizure of communication services
   . Insurrectionist activities are criminalized, and the state seizes control of all means of communication. This has the effect of limiting or removing
   freedom of expression
   , since the state can easily muzzle anyone they wish. Again, neo-Marxists are quick to point out that Marx only
   intended
   to take vital services from greedy capitalists, but as before, his cure is worse than the disease.

   • Remember that
     true
     freedom of expression is not merely the right to express yourself at the government's forbearance; it is the right to express yourself even when the government is offended by your remarks. It is the right to express yourself even when many in the government fervently wish you would
     shut the hell up
     . How can this kind of freedom
     possibly
     exist when the government controls all the means of communication? How does Karl Marx solve this problem? He doesn't! He assumes the government will
     voluntarily
     restrain itself from abusing its newfound absolute power! "Naiveté" is a gross understatement.

Elimination of religion and traditional families

. Karl Marx predicted that religion would fall by the wayside with the advent of the Age of Reason. To be fair, he was hardly alone in this belief, and he didn't explicitly advocate the

forcible

elimination of religion. However, since he described it as a mandatory aspect of a communist state, real communist states have inevitably attempted to meet his expectations through force. As a result, his recommendations tended to result in the elimination of

freedom of religion

. The situation is simpler with the elimination of the family, which he

did

explicitly call for (most specifically in the areas of marriage and inheritance). Again, he claimed to have only the noblest of motives, insisting that the family structure was conducive to capitalist exploitation and was therefore harmful to society. Of course, he provided no evidence to support this attack on the family and no explanation of why noncommital sex and state-raised children would be an improvement over the status quo, but that was typical of his modus operandi: make questionable attacks on capitalists and then recommend state ownership as the solution without bothering to show how the state would do a better job.

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State seizure of industry

. Naturally, if you're going to seize services such as communication and transportation, you might as well seize every other industry as well. In Karl Marx's collectivized utopia, monopolies are

good

, and competition is

bad

. All food and manufactured products come from only one supplier: the government. If they don't make a product the way you want it, then you're stuck because there are no competitors. If they don't make it

at all

, then you're SOL. If they don't make enough supply to meet demand, then you must line up for whatever they

have

made (remember the Soviet bread lines?). The effect of this proposal is greatly decreased consumer choice (why have thirty brands of breakfast cereal when there's only one supplier and no competition?), poor product quality (why improve the product when the "customer" has no choice but to take whatever you've made?), and chronic supply shortfalls (the inevitable result of production being managed by government bureaucrats rather than the self-corrective free-market supply and demand mechanism).

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Citizens are forced to work

. Since citizens no longer have an economic

incentive

to work, there is no way to keep all of the populace working without resorting to the threat of punishment. Karl Marx describes it as the "equal obligation of all to work" rather than explicitly naming the use of force, but as with many of his other proposals, it is a half-baked and half-formed idea, lacking the courage to explicitly name the unpleasant mechanisms required for implementation. How is this "obligation" supposed to be enforced? Marx never explained, and neo-Marxists are quick to gloss over the subject.

Communism in the Federation

How many of these ideas were apparently taken to heart by the TNG era Federation? Let us list them one at a time:

1. Abolition of property rights
   : 100% implemented in the TNG era Federation. While Ferengi traders and various others outside the Federation still retain property rights, the Federation seems to have eliminated them.

   • No wealth
     : Counsellor Troi and Captain Picard have both boasted about how the accumulation of wealth is no longer an incentive. What they
     don't
     explain is
     why
     . Humans have always been territorial (and so have our evolutionary ancestors), so our desire to accumulate more assets seems more like a basic facet of human nature than a temporary cultural phenomenon. It can be suppressed or modified through education and social conditioning, but such methods are hardly 100% effective.
     Some
     greedy people should remain, but not in Star Trek. So if humans in the future no longer desire wealth, then why not? Do they use extremely advanced brainwashing techniques, so sophisticated that
     no one
     can resist them? Or have they made the accumulation of wealth
     illegal
     , as Marx advocated? The latter seems more plausible.

   • No money
     : All external transactions are performed with a precious substance known as latinum. No more wire transfers or electronic asset tracking in the 24th century; vast interstellar trading organizations have reverted to something like the primitive "gold standard" that was abandoned long ago! It sounds like Troi wasn't kidding when she said the Federation no longer used money. They have "credits", but they don't seem to be as widely recognized as precious metals, which indicates that Federation credits are not easily converted into other assets (ie- not liquid). Poor or nonexistent liquidity is typical of communist currencies in real life. However, it is
     not
     typical of capitalist currencies, all of which can be easily transferred and exchanged between nations without the need for precious metals as an intermediate conversion.

   • Buy and Sell
     : What was the last time you heard about someone buying or selling something from another Federation citizen? People give one another objects, and they might even barter, but they never use their credits to
     buy
     things from one another (at least, nothing substantive such as a vehicle, a cottage, a boat, etc). Kirk talked about Scotty's "pay" and Scotty "bought a boat" in ST6, but of course, that was in the good old days of TOS. Ahhh, memories … when men were men, women wore miniskirts, and
     nobody
     drank synthehol.

   • Spartan lifestyles
     : Even on the mixed civilian/military spaceport DS9, no one seems to have anything but a handful of room decorations and sentimental momentoes. Quarters are quite clean and barren
     even when children live there
     (and anyone with small children knows how silly that is). This could arguably be described as a lifestyle "choice" rather than the result of government edict, but it is also quite consistent with the growing list of evidence that the Federation is communist.

   • Goodbye, Wall Street
     : The concept of an investment portfolio is so alien to them that when a frozen 20th century tycoon was thawed out in "The Neutral Zone", Picard was completely dumbfounded at the man's desire to check on his portfolio. He couldn't even understand the
     concept
     , and complained that he couldn't understand what the man was talking about! Obviously, this is typical of a communist state, but hardly typical of a capitalist state. Even before modern stock markets and investment vehicles, the concept of investment still existed. Businesses started with the aid of financial backing, loans, etc. Banks and other financial institutions existed long before NASDAQ. But according to Star Trek, they didn't last into the 24th century.

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State seizure of transportation

(leading to reduction or elimination of freedom of movement): 100% implemented in the TNG era Federation. Vehicles in Star Trek are either government property, or they travel outside the Federation (eg. Ferengi vessels, ships from non-member systems, etc).

• They're
  all
  company cars
  : What was the last time you saw a privately owned personal starship? Starships are either government warships, diplomatic vessels, or transports. The only one-person vehicles (apart from non-Federation vehicles such as Quark's ship or Bajor's spacecraft) are runabouts and shuttles, and they are always government property. Some might argue that starships must be very expensive or difficult to operate and therefore impractical for personal use, but Quark's ship disproved this idea.

  • Some claim that Kasidy Yates' ship was a private ship, but it was a transport rather than a personal vehicle, and it was probably part of the thriving black market that is endemic to communist states (how do you think everyone gets their illegal Romulan ale?). Remember that she paid the crew with latinum rather than Federation credits, and she was imprisoned in a "re-orientation centre" for using it to ferry supplies to the Maquis, even though the act in question occurred
    outside
    Federation territory and jurisdiction. Some might object that Sisko would have reported her if she was a black marketeer, but in real life, it was quite common for black marketeers to operate quite brazenly, often forming "wink, wink, nudge nudge" relationships with government officials. She wasn't prosecuted until she dared violate the Federation's policy of inhumane neglect toward the Maquis.

  [*]

  Empty skies
  : Where are all of the ships in the skies over Earth? Even over major metropolitan centres such as San Francisco, we see almost no air traffic whatsoever (certainly nothing like the thick swarms of traffic over Coruscant in Star Wars). In fact, in "Paradise Lost", the USS Lakota was the only starship in orbit around the entire
  planet!
  Even in that time of crisis, we didn't see anyone leaving Earth to hide out at a safer location until everything blew over, because
  none of them had any ships!
  The same is true of all crises through Star Trek history. No mass exodus of personal vehicles even when the populace had early warning and lots of time to prepare.

  [*]

  Big Brother is watching you
  : All movements are tracked in the Federation. Since no one has personal starships, everyone must book passage on state-owned transports in order to get where they want to go. You've heard it countless times: "I've booked passage to Mars," or "I'm going to try to book passage to the frontier". You
  never
  hear "I just bought a ship and I'm going to head off to the frontier" or "I'm renting a ship next month so I can go planet-jumping". The result of this monopoly is that Starfleet officers can easily track every movement of any citizen within the Federation. Any security officer can easily rattle off a list of all the places any citizen has gone, how long they were there, etc. Contrast this to real life, where the bus driver wants exact change but he couldn't care less about your ID. Unless you leave the country, nobody asks to see a passport or identification.

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  Little red corvette
  : We don't see a lot of red sports shuttles flying around, do we? This may not sound so bad, but think about it: what is one of the most cherished symbols of freedom, particularly in countries like Canada and America, with our wide-open spaces? Some think it's the Statue of Liberty, some say it's the Constitution, but as for me, I know what
  my
  favourite symbol of freedom is. Here's a hint: It's midnight blue, it has leather seats and a gas-guzzling V8 engine, and it sits in my driveway. Yup- my
  car
  . And it's not just me; for millions of people, the car is the ultimate symbol of personal freedom. Let me out on an open road, with a full tank of gas and Sammy Hagar's "I Can't Drive 55" on the radio, and I feel
  free
  . However, the effect only works if you actually
  like
  your car. An ugly or underperforming car just doesn't give you that same sense of enjoyment, and the lack of stylized or luxury-outfitted Federation spacecraft points to an absence of consumer choice.

  • Of course, some would claim that the desire for luxury and style is a cultural taste, and might have been eliminated in the "enlightened" Federation. That is a plausible argument on the surface, but in
    every
    society, there are those who stray from social norms. Furthermore, the Federation must experience "cultural contamination" from the activities of their Ferengi neighbours, so it can't be argued that the concept of style and luxury is completely unknown to them. It is therefore
    highly
    unlikely that we would
    never
    see people seeking style and luxury, unless they are prohibited from doing so by law.

  • Other would claim that style and luxury in transportation are a 20th century phenomenon, but that would be a historical fallacy. Stagecoaches were lavishly decorated before automobiles, and wealthy Romans decorated chariots and other forms of transportation. Even in primitive tribes, the elites of the village wear special decorations.

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  The open road
  : If you still don't agree that the car represents freedom, just close your eyes and think back to that very first day when you finally got to drive your parents' car on your own. Try to remember the exhilaration you felt as you pulled out of your parents' driveway for the very first time. Remember the exuberance when you were finally out on the open road? After all those years of waiting and anticipating, wasn't it great to finally be free? Just you and your car, with nobody to tell you where to go. Now
  that
  is freedom.
  That
  is an essential part of the fabled American Dream. Guess what- the Federation killed it. In the Federation, you don't have the futuristic equivalent of a car; you have a nice walk to the nearest loading stop, where you can take your assigned seat on the futuristic equivalent of a
  bus
  . Happy motoring.

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State seizure of communications

(leading to reduction or elimination of freedom of expression): 100% implemented in the TNG era Federation.

• Ma Bell is back
  : The entire subspace relay system is owned by the Federation government, as described in the DS9 tech manual. There is no private competitor. Since all interstellar communications must use this relay network, this effectively gives the Federation government total control over long distance communications. Furthermore, it appears that
  local
  communications systems are government-operated as well, since the government was able to effortlessly impose a complete local news blackout during the attempted coup in "Paradise Lost." As another monopolistic Microsoftian measure, all communications start and end with the ubiquitous Federation logo, even on mixed civilian/military stations like DS9. Quark once ran afoul of this monopoly when he wanted to broadcast advertisements for his bar, and had no alternative but to break into DS9's communications system.

• Phil Zimmerman would be pissed
  : High-ranking officers can use secure communications, but no one else seems to be able to encrypt their personal information or communications because any Tom, Dick or Ferengi seems to be able to break into personal files and communications at will. Furthermore, even "secure" communications use such weak encryption that they can be cracked in a matter of hours by a single starship's computer. It is important to remember that no matter how far computer technology increases, encryption strength can always be increased simply by adding bits, so this is not a case of technology overcoming encryption. In real life, the US government tried to force everyone to use weak encryption (or adopt Al Gore's infamous eavesdropper "clipper chip"), but they were foiled by the constitution. Apparently, there are no such restrictions on the Federation government's power.

• This … is not CNN
  : The Federation nearly became a military dictatorship once ("Paradise Lost"). In real life, such a near-coup would be accompanied by an enormous flood of negative news reports, both from television and radio stations and across the Internet. But in the Federation, there appear to be no independent news organizations or reporting mechanisms (or at least, none which can function when the government turns off the spigot). In other words, the meek citizens of Earth sat quietly in their homes and waited patiently for the benevolent Federation to tell them what had happened, because they had no other information source. This illustrates the danger of putting all communications facilities in the hands of the government; if they have control of all communications, then in the blink of an eye, they can eliminate public knowledge of their activities.

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Elimination of religion and traditional families

. 50% implemented in the TNG era Federation.

• Nietszche Wins- God is Dead
  : While the TOS episode "Balance of Terror" began with a wedding in the ship's chapel, no TNG era ship seems to have a chapel at all. Christianity appears to have been purged from society. One of the most extreme examples of this deliberate suppression can be seen in a recent episode of Voyager, the holographic Doctor actually portrayed a Catholic priest and conducted a ceremony, but somehow avoided mentioning the names "God" or "Jesus" entirely! How someone can portray a priest and avoid mentioning God or Jesus is beyond me. Also, while "Bones" McCoy often mentioned Jesus and God, we
  never
  hear the name "Jesus" on TNG, DS9, or Voyager. This situation exists in stark contrast to every other civilization, such as the Bajorans, Klingons, Ferengi etc. which all have their own curious religions (always precisely one religion per species; I guess aliens aren't very imaginative in Star Trek).

• New Age mysticism
  : Oddly enough, while Christianity has apparently been wiped out, popular New Age ideas such as transcendental meditation, seances, tribal superstitions, pseudoscientific quasi-religions and Eastern spirituality are all acceptable in the Federation. This would seem rather contradictory until you ask yourself what kinds of spirituality are popular
  today in Hollywood
  . Apparently they don't believe that God made Man in his own image, but they
  do
  believe that Hollywood should remake mankind in
  its
  image.

• Wham, Bam, Thank you Ma'am
  : Karl Marx's "free love" idea seems to have taken root. Pleasure planets like Risa, whose economies are based entirely on the sex trade, are stark proof that the Federation has decriminalized prostitution and encouraged a casual attitude toward sexual promiscuity (an attitude displayed by numerous characters on TNG, DS9, and Voyager). However, to be fair, the institution of marriage still exists in the Federation. As with all real-life communist states, the Federation probably found Marx's call for the total abolishment of marriage to be unworkable.

• They don't play Pink Floyd in the future
  : Karl Marx advocated state-run education. Enlightened free-market societies also provide state-funded education for their citizens (the principal reason for the growth of the middle class), but not to the exclusion of alternatives such as private schools, learning centres, and home schooling. It would seem self-evident that private schools and learning centres are not permitted in the corporation-phobic Federation, but to be fair, there is no evidence that home schooling has been criminalized. In fact, it has been suggested that Jake Sisko
  must
  have been home-schooled before Keiko arrived as DS9's lone teacher, but his father was a single-parent and the station commander, so he hardly had time to moonlight as a schoolteacher! Jake must have been educated by computer with standardized programs and tests, so it's hard to tell either way.

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State seizure of industry

. 50-100% implemented in the TNG era Federation. The situation with the agriculture industry is unknown, since people seem to prefer real food to replicated food but the Federation lacks the infrastructure to efficiently deliver real food to all its ships and starbases. We would presumably see real food (and agriculture) planetside, but the show rarely strays from starships and space stations so we can't be sure. However, the situation with regards to manufacturing and research is much clearer.

• No logos
  : In hundreds of televised episodes and numerous feature films, we haven't seen a single Federation product which bore the trademark of an independent manufacturer, either in military or civilian situations.

• No corporations
  : There are no known privately owned corporations in the Federation. We never hear a single corporate name, or a complaint about a corporate supplier, or any news of bidding for government contracts. It goes without saying that no one has investments in any of these corporations. And finally, in the DS9 episode "Prodigal Daughter", we found out that Ezri Dax's parents formed a mining company, operating out of New Sydney. Lo and behold, we also found out that New Sydney is a city on a non-Federation world. What a shock. And would you be surprised to hear that their financial dealings were handled with precious substances instead of Federation credits? Gee, I wonder why they left the Federation and moved to New Sydney to set up their company …

• You can have any colour you want, so long as it's beige
  : In the Federation, all starships look the same, and feel the same. They have the same colour scheme. The same interface. The same mind-numbing monotonous style. The same basic design features. According to Star Trek, the future really
  does
  look like Microsoft. Of course, some of Star Trek's defenders claim that the unbelievable uniformity of Federation technology is not necessarily proof of monopoly, but these people probably don't think Microsoft is monopolistic either.

• No patent office
  : There is no patent office. We know that none of the scientists in Star Trek perform research for the purpose of obtaining lucrative patents, because
  everything
  they discover instantly enters the public domain. There are no royalties to be collected. No fees for the use of someone else's invention. No one ever has to seek permission to use or abuse any form of intellectual property. There are no trademarks or copyrights. In short, intellectual property rights must have been completely eliminated, since the state claims ownership of all research.

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Citizens are forced to work

. Probably 100% implemented in the TNG era Federation.

• Even though everyone is guaranteed a comfortable standard of living by the state, everyone works hard. There are no beach bums. Therefore, since laziness is an innate human characteristic, we can infer that such penalties probably exist, even if we never explicitly
  see
  them in action. An alternate explanation for this conundrum would be the possibility that citizens are conditioned to work through brainwashing techniques, but brainwashing would be no better than the use of force. Some have argued that it's "close-minded" to assume that laziness is innate rather than cultural, but nothing could be further from the truth. In nature, no animal does
  any
  work unless it's necessary for survival or reproduction (what's the last time you saw a bird building a nest for anyone but its own offspring?). In society, we are bombarded by constant propaganda pushing us to work to help strangers, but most people still don't do it in spite of all the pressure. Laziness isn't unnatural; it's one of the few natural things left in our society.

In addition to Karl Marx's stated goals, we have seen the following side effects every time communism has been

implemented

:

1. Reorganization of Class structure
   . 100% true in the Federation.

   • It is a popular misconception that communism eliminates class distinctions. However, nothing could be further from the truth. Any group of individual human beings will eventually tend to arrange themselves into strata, simply because people are not all alike. Some are smarter, some are more ambitious, some are more hard-working, etc. One way or another, some people in any group will find a way to have more than others. It amazes me how many fans of communism have never even bothered to
     speak
     to a Soviet emigrant. Before the fall of communism in Russia, some people
     did
     have much higher standards of living than others.

   • In a capitalist state, upper classes are populated largely by industrialists, entrepreneurs, and certain types of professional (eg. doctors). Parasites like lawyers and politicians find their way in there by manipulating the system, but their numbers are dwarfed by the former group. In any case, they have money, and they use it to purchase lifestyles far more extravagant than those available to ordinary workers.

   • A communist state is different; its upper classes are populated largely by politicians, high-ranking military officers, and scientists. It is
     they
     who use their status and relative wealth to purchase upper-class lifestyles. Sound familiar? In Star Trek, no one has any prestige or perceived value to society unless he's either a soldier, a researcher, or a politician.

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The military gains increased influence

. 100% true in the Federation.

• In real life, the aftermath of a communist revolution is invariably massive transfers of resources to the military. In Russia, Lenin and Stalin both subjected rural farmers to unspeakable famines by ordering the military to seize all of their winter foodstores for their own use. They died by the millions as a result; Stalin's winter famine holocaust actually killed more people than Hitler's death-camp Holocaust.

• In the Federation, the concentration of government assets in military hands is almost total: there is very little distinction between "Starfleet" and "Federation". In fact, the terms seem to be used almost interchangeably on the show.

• Military posts hold enormous prestige in the Federation. Think about this: how many names of real-life sea vessel captains do you know? Do you know the name of the captain of
  any
  military vessels? Unless you're in the military, I would doubt it. Admirals make press, but captains don't. But in Star Trek, Captain Picard is known far and wide, even among civilians.

• In "Paradise Lost", a Starfleet admiral nearly assumed control of the entire Federation, and no one could stand in his way but
  another
  Starfleet officer (Captain Sisko).

• When Doctor Bashir's parents were charged with violating the Federation's anti-genetic engineering laws, they wanted to fight the charge but they eventually decided to capitulate and offer themselves up for the sentencing decision … of a judge wearing a
  Starfleet uniform!
  Only an exceptionally influential military would have the ability to try and sentence
  civilians!

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Enforced social uniformity in outward behaviour and clothing patterns

. Unknown.

• In real life, it was dangerous to stand out in a communist society. The police would often come and take someone without warning, and neighbours would never know what happened, or why. Such an environment creates fear, and fear creates a reluctance to "rock the boat".

• The cultural conformity in recent Star Trek is astounding. Among humans, all citizens share the same tastes in music, food, entertainment, and clothing. They all listen to erudite music (no rock, rap, dance, or alternative music in the future). They all enjoy Shakespearean plays (you never hear anyone say they hate Shakespeare, do you? One must wonder if dislike of Shakespeare is punishable by death in the Federation). Even outside the military, they all have similar clothing and hairstyles. They all use the same formal dialect.

• However, to be fair, there's no evidence that this remarkably muted and conformist society exists because of government edict.

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Thriving black market in international currencies

. Most likely 100% true in the Federation.

• Federation "credits" are often mentioned, but never used to buy anything of significant value. In real life, rubles were similar: they were used heavily throughout the Soviet Union, but they were not very useful for purchasing foreign-made goods or bribing public officials. As a result, a vast black market in foreign currency (especially American dollars) appeared, funded largely by money from tourism and illicit activities. This black market was so widespread that authorities were known to turn a blind eye, for the simple reason that they were often its beneficiaries.

• The precious substance known as latinum is used for all major transactions with outsiders (and even some shady transactions
  inside
  the Federation). In fact, the more illicit a given activity is, the more likely it will be paid for in latinum. This indicates that Federation credits are not useful for such purposes, which would be consistent with typical communist currencies. Much as a large part of the Russian economic infrastructure was fueled by black-market foreign currencies, there is probably a heavy black-market trade in latinum, since it is so much more useful than the Federation's communist credit system.

Objections

Naturally, some object to these conclusions. The knee-jerk reflex is to say that the Federation cherishes individual freedoms, and I

must

be wrong about the reduction or elimination of freedom of expression, movement, and religion. But expectations don't necessarily translate to realities. The Federation

claims

to cherish individual freedoms, but until we see evidence of those freedoms being

used

(and abused), we have no reason to believe that the reality matches the rhetoric.

Many also claim that the Federation is actually a free-market society, in defiance of the Federation's own claims and all of the above evidence, by mentioning things such as "so and so character has a nice collection of wine glasses in his quarters," or "Picard's family has a farm," etc. However, real-life communist citizens also had personal possessions, and multiple generations could live in a single house. Therefore, this would hardly prove that the Federation is a free market! The distinction between

property

and

possession

is critical: you can possess a house or a car without owning it (the terms "rent", "lease", and "company car" come to mind), and you can command a ship or direct a company without owning it.

So how does one distinguish between property and possessions? Two ways:

1. You can legally
   sell
   property. You can't legally sell a rental car despite the fact that you possess it. The captain of an Exxon tanker can't legally sell it, despite the fact that he commands it and calls it "my ship." The CEO of a company can't sell it unless he's also the majority shareholder.

2. You can charge others for the use of your property, whether it be rent money or interest on loans. Communism strictly forbids this because it allows you to investments of all kinds, while capitalism is based on it.
   Investment
   is the sharpest dividing line between communism and capitalism, and as I pointed out earlier, investment is so foreign to the Federation that in "The Neutral Zone", Picard didn't even understand the meaning of the word.

Conclusion

The Federation is communist. Accept it. If you think communism is wonderful, I guess that means you'll love this aspect of Star Trek. If you think it's terrible, I guess this means you'll hate this aspect of Star Trek.

The Federation is a suffocatingly patriarchal society, where the endless rhetoric about rights and freedoms and individuality is never backed up by actual working examples. The military has such sway over the government that civilians can be sentenced by military judges, and the government has such sway over personal activity that individual wealth has been eradicated.

Ever since the first episode of Gene Roddenberry's emasculated TNG revision of the Star Trek mythos, Star Trek has been plagued by a persistent "have your cake and eat it too" mentality. Cause and consequence are never tied together, and though there are many examples of this mentality in action, the most blatant is the writers' attitude toward freedom and strong government.

You simply can't have unbridled freedom and strong government at the same time, because one acts directly against the other. The Federation

claims

to offer virtually unlimited personal freedom to every citizen, but no one ever

tests

this claim. Billions of people live quiet, spartan, communist lifestyles. They never covet wealth, they never go ripping through space in a personal vehicle, they never expect compensation for their achievements, they never challenge the government with rebellious propaganda, they never push the envelope by producing offensive art, they never accumulate private arsenals … in short, they never do

anything

to test the limits of their freedom. Supposedly, they have all the benefits of a strong government, without

any

of the negatives.

In real life, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Give people freedom and they'll abuse it. Give the government more power and it will abuse it. I've been accused of cynicism for saying these things, but I have yet to see anyone produce a

shred

of evidence to prove that this isn't true. The balance between social stability and individual freedom is one that

all

societies must walk very carefully; you can't simply have both. In my opinion, the only way to produce the Federation's smiley-faced corps of perfectly well-behaved citizens is to push that balance to the left.

All

the way left.

http://www.stardestr…ek-Marxism.html

[Invité jabial]

Ça me gêne plus dans Star Trek que dans les Schtroumpfs, parce que les Schtroumpfs ne ressemblent pas à des vraies personnes, alors que Star Trek met en scène des humains. En plus de ça, la société des Schtroumpfs est un petit village rural, où un système semi-collectiviste est parfaitement possible. La Fédération, par contre, est un empire intergalactique. Je n'ai jamais pu me départir d'une certaine gêne en voyant une société en uniforme où les militaires semblent tout contrôler présentée comme un modèle.

Dans Starship Troopers (le livre, pas le film totalement déformé) qui a été présenté comme ultra-militariste, les militaires n'ont strictement aucune influence politique : ils sont privés de droit de vote au même titre que les "résidents", qui n'ont jamais fait le service militaire volontaire. Seuls les anciens militaires, qui ont quitté l'armée, ont le droit de vote. Les tribunaux militaires ne jugent jamais les différends entre les civils. Le père de Johnie Rico a une entreprise. Et ainsi de suite.

Je préfèrerais de loin vivre dans l'univers de Starship Troopers que dans celui de Star Trek.

[Tremendo]

Moi j'ai toujours vu Star wars des épisodes 1 à 3 comme une sorte d'Union européenne, bien sûr c'est une comparaison osée mais je ne peux cesser de penser que les dérives de la république galactique pourraient être une excellente image de ce que pourrait devenir l'UE, et j'ai pas fumé.

Chaque planète est souveraine mais avec d'énormes obligations envers la république, il y a des institutions de la république galactique avec son sénat et ses représentants parfois non-élus mais nommés et un chancelier élu par ses membres. Le sénat représente les systèmes de la galaxie, et est la pièce centrale du pouvoir, le chancelier ne peut gouverner sans lui, où d'ailleurs semble régner la corruption. La république prend des pouvoirs progressivement sous l'immobilisme total des planètes: le sénat en urgence vote la création d'une armée galactique sous les manipulations du chancelier, tout ceci pousse certaines planètes d'ailleurs vers le séparatisme. On y trouve d'ailleurs ses lobbys comme la fédération du commerce, sorte de gigantesque lobby armé qui n'est pas sans rappeler les multiples lobbys bruxellois (le côté militaire en moins), qui prennent énormément d'importance et tentent d'influer par tous les moyens la politique de la république.

En revanche des épisodes 4 à 6, la galaxie est une sorte de saint-empire romain germanique fachisant et fondamentaliste, à la tête duquel on trouve un empereur -certe plus puissant et plus despotique que dans la réalité-, le sénat a été supprimé, les planètes sont totalement souveraines, juste doivent allégeance à l'empereur qui représente la source du droit et en échange ferme les yeux sur la gestion locale.

[Marlenus]

C'est en grandissant qu'on comprend l'économie, la vie etc, et qu'on devient de droite.

.

C'est en grandissant que l'on devient réac en repensant au bon vieux temps largement mieux que celui-ci avec sa jeunesse dévoyée.

C'est aussi en vieillissant que l'on a peur de perdre ce que l'on a. Tandis que jeune, tu n'as rien.

Pas pour rien d'ailleurs que la droite n'a abolument pas touché aux retraites en cours lors de sa réforme.

Rien à voir avec un quelconque apprentissage de la vie.

Gauche ou droite sont souvent des c…. en france, la droite étant plus un truc conservateur que quelque chose de vaguement libéral.

[Lancelot]

Si seulement la droite était conservatrice…

[Invité]

De toute façon, en général les jeunes ont tendance à être de gauche.

Réctification: les jeunes de ma génération ne sont ni de gauche ni de droite ; ils se foutent presque tous de la politique. Comme tu peux le voir je fais parti des seuls qui s'y intéressent et je ne suis pas particuliérement à gauche , j'ai même fini sur lib.org

[MrJones]

Non, les jeunes de notre âge (la vingtaine) s'intéressent à la polique, et ils sont tous d'extrême-gauche. Le syndicalisme est l'activité favorite des français et ils sont tous atteints de révolutionite aigüe. Tous ceux qui souffrent de ce fléau ouvrent en permanence leur bouche pour se plaindre de tout et plaider pour + d'Etat. Les quelques personnes un minimum sensées, qui sentent bien qu'il y a une couille dans le pâté mais sans savoir exactement où (à cause d'une trop grande ignorance des idées libérales) s'écrasent et laissent faire ces activistes socialésolidéres…

(bon ok, j'exagère ptète un peu, mais en gros c'est ça)

Et tout ça à cause de l'influence des Schtroumphs. Eh bah.

[Rincevent]

Dans Starship Troopers (le livre, pas le film totalement déformé) qui a été présenté comme ultra-militariste, les militaires n'ont strictement aucune influence politique : ils sont privés de droit de vote au même titre que les "résidents", qui n'ont jamais fait le service militaire volontaire. Seuls les anciens militaires, qui ont quitté l'armée, ont le droit de vote. Les tribunaux militaires ne jugent jamais les différends entre les civils. Le père de Johnie Rico a une entreprise. Et ainsi de suite.

Tu m'as donné envie de le relire, tiens. Après mon pavé actuel, sans doute.

[Marlenus]

Non, les jeunes de notre âge (la vingtaine) s'intéressent à la polique, et ils sont tous d'extrême-gauche.

Si tous les jeunes de 18 à 25ans votaient extrème gauche elle ne ferait pas 10%

Le syndicalisme est l'activité favorite des français.

Vu que l'on a l'un des taux de syndicalisation les plus bas du monde, qu'es-ce que ce doit être dans les autres pays alors.

[Copeau]

[L'affreux]

Je ne me souviens pas avoir vu passer de post à ce sujet.

Pas sur cet auteur, mais il y a eu celui-ci.

[Li Po]

Voilà voilà…

C'est potache et à moitié sérieux en même temps.

Son explication, c'est que bien que Peyo était apolitique à l'époque, les stéréotypes de l'époque présent dans l'inconscient collectif, ont imprégné sont oeuvre.

je crois que c'est lui qui a écrit "je suis de droite et je vous emmerde "

[h16]

le billet du jour : DE LA BD qui fait rire un peu. Ou pas.

RT :

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[Salatomatonion]

le billet du jour : DE LA BD qui fait rire un peu. Ou pas.

RT :

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Du bon rire matinal, merci !

Nb : la fonction "voter" n'est pas disponible aujourd'hui sur wikio et ton site ?

Edith : ah ben non là elle apparaît. (M'sieur, j'vous jure la vie d'ma reum' qu'elle y était pas tout à l'heure).