Attaque du Hamas & répercussions

[Adrian]

On vit encore dans l'enfumage de la grandeur

 

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Première incursion israélienne à Gaza :

 

 

 

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Senior Hamas Leader Mousa Abu Marzouq is reportedly in Moscow, #Russia. The #Hamas delegation met in #Moscow with the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, Bogdanov, the parties discussed the situation in Gaza, according to the movement's statement. The Hamas delegation present at the meeting highly appreciated the position of the Russian President and the efforts of Russian diplomacy:

 

 

 

[Marlenus]

On en entend peu parlé, mais visiblement il y a 54 français bloqués à Gaza en ce moment:

 

https://www.bfmtv.com/international/moyen-orient/palestine/il-n-y-a-aucune-porte-de-sortie-la-peur-d-un-francais-bloque-a-gaza-depuis-les-attaques-du-hamas_AV-202310260945.html#xtor=AL-68

 

[Pegase]

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3570798/secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iiis-statement-on-us-military-strikes-in-ea/

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The United States does not seek conflict and has no intention nor desire to engage in further hostilities, but these Iranian-backed attacks against U.S. forces are unacceptable and must stop. Iran wants to hide its hand and deny its role in these attacks against our forces. We will not let them. If attacks by Iran’s proxies against U.S. forces continue, we will not hesitate to take further necessary measures to protect our people.

Les tensions montent entre les États-Unis et l'Iran.

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Tsahal prévoit d'étendre ses opérations cette nuit. Des frappes aériennes menées dans la soirée ont déjà coupé l'accès à internet dans Gaza.

 

 

 

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Le dernier billet de Michel Goya est sorti :

 

Prodromes d’acier

 

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Quelques considérations sommaires sur une opération terrestre.

 

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Ça cartonne pas mal ce soir (live webcam AFP) :

 

 

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Autre source :

 

 

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Première réaction internationale (le ministre des AE Jordanien) :

 

 

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Jacqui Heinrich

 

@JacquiHeinrich

 

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Per my conversations with two US officials, this is how we should understand the last 7 hours:

 

Today’s barrage of intensified Israeli strikes ahead of an imminent ground invasion - coupled with US calling again for a humanitarian pause - was a negotiating tool to push for hostage releases.

Basically, one last big push to get hostages out before ground invasion begins.

 

As of this AM, Israel’s plan was to send a division into Gaza as strikes intensified– beginning around noon eastern.

For the last several hours, Israel held off large-scale ground offensive, instead sending more limited force as US stepped up calls for pause to get hostages out.

 

This was designed to allow one last chance for Hamas to be convinced that now is the time to trade // seriously discuss concessions.

 

As of now, there is no progress on hostage discussions to announce.

That said, this time did allow for Israel to learn more about the environment, gather intel, as they prepare to do more.

 

I asked about ABC report that US/Israeli officials have indicated tonight’s ground incursion is not a large-scale offensive – and if that is an indication the pressure plan is working...

 

...The response didn’t directly answer the question, but I’m told Israel “has heard our concerns” – ie. about the need to take every possible step to mitigate civilian casualties.

 

The US continues to express support for humanitarian pauses if hostage releases would be successful.

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Full Testimony of Yocheved Lifshitz, a Released Hostage, and Mind-Control Operations Around It

 

We're part of a battle for consciousness and perception that is just as significant as the real war on the ground.

 

 

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There are many PARTIAL reports on what Yocheved Lifshitz, a released hostage, said about her experience on Oct. 7th and being in captivity of Hamas, on mainstream media and social media. Yocheved was released on the evening of Oct. 23rd, 2023. Most of the reports that came right after she told her story and answered questions, are twisted as they show only one side and one sentiment of what she said. In reality, she said both things that are disturbing and describe Hamas’ cruelty, as well as some other things that point to the captives being considerate and gentle with the hostages. See below her full statements.

 

Her statements served as a fruitful ground for yet another battle of consciousness and public opinion, in an attempt to further captivate the already captive and radicalized minds of people on both “sides” of the spectrum; those who are pro-Palestine or pro-Hamas externalized ONLY her words about how kind and gentle Hamas terrorists were, neglecting to state her descriptions about what they did on Oct. 7th and her general opinion of them, while those who are pro-Israel tried to ignore or minimize her statements about the captives’ fair/kind treatment.

 

While I am not naive, and understand that her statements may be biased as her husband and 208 other Israelis are still in captivity and she naturally don’t want to say anything that will jeopardize them, I still have the integrity to bring all of her statements, without omitting any of them. I am personally biased towards Israel, that’s clear to me and I try to always remember that.

I support free speech and free thought, and wish to encourage people to exercise critical thinking and investigation skills, which in this day and age, require good discernment abilities. In my view, readers should reach their own opinion or analysis, based on their discernment ability, rather than reaching my conclusion or my opinion, or take “sky news” report as the full truth.

 

We must be alert to the fact that reality is being presented to us in a partial, tendentious, hence twisted way, because it serves a purpose. When one narrative is being promoted over another, especially when it’s escorted by the right emotion (fear, disgust, anger etc.), it “helps” push us to the direction the writer would like us to be on. This strategy is quite basic in marketing, in behavioral economics, and unfortunately, in propaganda. This is the classic method of influencing our thought process, beliefs, perceptions and actions. This is how we’re pushed to pick sides. This is how they divide and conquer.

 

Here’s the Full Version of Yocheved’s Testimony

 

"We endured a nightmare; we were at the mercy of the devil. We were abandoned by the (Israeli) regime. We didn't expect to find ourselves in this situation. They brutalized us.

 

(On Saturday Oct. 7th) The terrorists stormed our homes, without distinguishing the elderly and the young. They threw me onto a motorcycle, beat me, and took us to Gaza, via a web of underground tunnels, and we traveled kilometers beneath the ground.

 

"When we arrived at the big hall were they held us, we were told they were following the teachings of the Qur’an and they would not harm us".

The terrorists gathered about 25 hostages in one place, with a guard and a paramedic posted for every five. We had one meal a day which included one pita bread, cheese and a cucumber."

 

Lifshitz also says: "They treated us gently, and provided for all our needs".

Hostages were allowed to wash and eat, a doctor was present, medicines were provided and sanitary conditions were in tact. The hostages ate the same food Hamas ate.

 

She adds: "The group seemed really prepared" and it appeared the operation had been planned for a long time. She claims militant group had sent warnings weeks before, in the form of "balloons with fire to burn our fields. The IDF didn't take that seriously. We were the scapegoat."

 

She was asked why she shook the Hamas terrorist's hand when she left them last night: "because they treated us very nicely", she answered.

 

Nurit Cooper (79) was also released yesterday. Both Lifshitz and Cooper were kidnapped on Oct. 7th from Kibbutz Nir Oz. Amiram, the 85-year-old husband of Cooper, and Oded, the 83-year-old husband of Lifshitz, who were also kidnapped with them, are still held by Hamas, along with the other 208 hostages.

 

Watch the full video of her testimony on Israel’s Channel 13 News: https://13tv.co.il/item/news/politics/security/lbob2-903767748/?pid=7&cid=902992371

 

Remember, any post that shows you just part of a testimony or part of the information, is simply just that, partial.

 

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[Alchimi]

(Merci @Freezbee pour l'alimentation du fil).

[fryer]

Difficile de trouver du censé sans tomber dans le trop trivial donc :

 

https://www.youtube.com/live/Mpq5IxdDeqA?si=7LKLxciHEgL68BJs

 

De Villepin sur Gaza

[Waren]

Vous pouvez facilement suivre les attaques lourdes d’Israël en utilisant la détection des incendies par la Nasa.

Un exemple ici:

https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:2023-10-23..2023-10-28;@35.4,33.1,10.3z

 

Où l'on voit nettement les attaques au nord, contre le Hezbollah à la frontière du Liban et aussi à l'Est à la frontière de la Syrie.

 

Ici, on peut voir que l'armée Israélienne semble actuellement concentrer ses efforts sur cette région de Gaza:

https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:2023-10-23..2023-10-28;@34.4,31.5,14.0z

  

Pratique pour corroborer (ou pas) les informations.

[Waren]

Et toujours au moyen de ce site, il a été très facile de retrouver la planque des gardiens de la révolution iranienne en Syrie qui été bombardée jeudi dernier:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Ut7NhZHYJth7yGVB9

 

On peut même vous dire l'heure approximative: vers minuit

 

[Freezbee]

Plus de 100 000 protestataires défilent à Londres :

 

 

 

[Lameador]

Le hasard de ma timeline twitter fait apparaitre ces deux publications, d'auteurs que j'estime, l'une au dessus de l'autre. Je n'ai plus très faim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alchimi]

Aux states ils ont régulièrement des mini-scandales sur les rezos sociaux de nanas soldates dansant devant les cams de leur téléphone, quelque chose qu'elles feraient aussi en civil de toute façon.

 

Pas de quoi hurler.

 

Quand à l'article sur Sabra et Chatila, je ne connais pas assez les détails, je note qu'il en impute toute la responsabilité à Tsahal, ce qui est sans doute exagéré (massacre commis par des milices chrétiennes), et surtout un grand écart de plus de 30 ans, sur des circonstances différentes. Par rapport à l'actualité, à part des sophismes, ça va être dur d'en tirer des choses.

[fryer]

Titre trompeur. Sabra et Chatila ce sont les phalangistes libanais à la suite de l'attentat contre Bachir Gemayel. On a vraiment pas besoin de ça en ce moment..

[Waren]

Au fait, vous avez vu que la photo présentée par Eric est bidon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/in_pictures_50_years_of_photojournalism/html/7.stm

[fryer]

il y a 3 minutes, Waren a dit :

Au fait, vous avez vu que la photo présentée par Eric est bidon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/in_pictures_50_years_of_photojournalism/html/7.stm

 

Oui photo d'un séisme turc.

Karma.

[Lameador]

Encore une fois, j'ai bien plus de sympathie pour Israel (crimes de guerre inclus) que pour le peuple élu de Mélenchon.

 

Reste que le massacre de civils, indépendamment de la précision des images, reste un phénomène réel et traumatisant, tant pour moi que pour les consciences d'honnêtes hommes aux sympathies occidentales moins prononcées.

[Lexington]

Il y a 2 heures, Waren a dit :

Au fait, vous avez vu que la photo présentée par Eric est bidon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/in_pictures_50_years_of_photojournalism/html/7.stm

Eric est bidon tout court. 

[Marlenus]

Je n'ai pas de préférence entre Israéliens et Palestiniens.

Je hais les faucons des deux côtés etp plaint les victimes des deux côtés.

Mais je fais la différence entre ceux qui visent délibérément les civils et les autres.

 

 

D'ailleurs j'ai vu que l'une des nationalités les plus touchés lors de l'attaque du hamas après les Israéliens, ce sont les thaïlandais.

En effet ils étaient en nombre comme travailleurs agricoles. 

 

[Lexington]

Il y a 9 heures, Marlenus a dit :

Je n'ai pas de préférence entre Israéliens et Palestiniens.

Je hais les faucons des deux côtés etp plaint les victimes des deux côtés.

Mais je fais la différence entre ceux qui visent délibérément les civils et les autres.

 

 

D'ailleurs j'ai vu que l'une des nationalités les plus touchés lors de l'attaque du hamas après les Israéliens, ce sont les thaïlandais.

En effet ils étaient en nombre comme travailleurs agricoles. 

 

Thaïs et chinois ont largement remplacé les arabes comme main d’œuvre de substitution dans les kibboutzim. C’est surtout un révélateur de cela. Mais je serais curieux de connaître le nombre d’arabes dans les victimes aussi

[RaHaN]